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Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
63. LOL In the real world people can fact check and sanders and his gang of liars have been exposed
Tue Jan 21, 2020, 11:48 PM
Jan 2020



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or example, the Sanders campaign sent out an edited transcript of something Biden said about Social Security, claiming that he agreed with former Republican Speaker Paul Ryan. Politifact rated that statement false. Here is the part of the speech they left out.
Now, I don’t know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I don’t know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.

Since the campaign got caught in that lie, Sanders supporters have attempted to claim that Biden has been advocating for cutting Social Security for 40 years. As is often the case with disinformation, that is based on a half-truth. To solve a budget impasse in 1995, Biden supported a freeze on all federal spending, including cost of living adjustments to Social Security. Then there was his support for an Obama proposal to change the way cost of living increases were calculated, including both the income tax tables and Social Security. But the Sanders campaign turned those positions into an accusation that Biden attempted to “slash Social Security.”
An honest look at the totality of Biden’s position on Social Security would come from listening to Jared Bernstein, a progressive economist who served as an advisor to the former vice president.


.....Some of us spoke up when Sanders hired David Sirota because his modus operandi was obvious to anyone who knew his history. Sirota has a reputation of being a ruthless attack dog. The campaign had to know that when they hired him. But now it seems that Sirota went too far with his attacks and his boss has been forced to apologize.

It is clear that the Sanders campaign will rely on attacks against his opponents. But this latest incident demonstrates that they are still struggling with where the boundaries are for those negative attacks. It is good to know that, at least for the candidate himself, accusing Biden of being corrupt is outside the boundary.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
Yep, that's my point of view PJMcK Jan 2020 #1
Exactly. And always, always support the Democratic nominee. Autumn Jan 2020 #9
Third party voting is a waste of time PJMcK Jan 2020 #12
It's a choice. David__77 Jan 2020 #14
She isn't running squirecam Jan 2020 #42
She didn't say that. SaveOurDemocracy Jan 2020 #27
Clinton was wrong to say that. Beakybird Jan 2020 #2
I agree. And it also wasn't a good look for her. KPN Jan 2020 #4
Sorry to disagree Butterflylady Jan 2020 #18
WTF? Betrayed? That's the excuse? Small. KPN Jan 2020 #31
If she is pinning the loss on Bernie, her thoughts are misplaced. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #46
Context matters. ChiTownDenny Jan 2020 #13
Agreed. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #28
She isn't endorsing squirecam Jan 2020 #43
I think so too. (eom) Malmsy Jan 2020 #74
Not good. lark Jan 2020 #3
What she said OKNancy Jan 2020 #8
But she didn't say that OKNancy Jan 2020 #5
It's not too early to say you will support whoever the Dem nominee is against Trump. thesquanderer Jan 2020 #11
Hillary OKNancy Jan 2020 #22
The correct answer is "Yes. Whoever the Dem Nominee is" TDale313 Jan 2020 #16
Also from the same interview OKNancy Jan 2020 #20
Great. TDale313 Jan 2020 #25
Thanks, OKNancy. sheshe2 Jan 2020 #33
Paul Krugman is right. nt Mike 03 Jan 2020 #6
We're looking at four more years of Trump. jalan48 Jan 2020 #7
It's a real possibility. David__77 Jan 2020 #10
Not because of anything Clinton said. lark Jan 2020 #19
Put a LOT of the blame The Mouth Jan 2020 #39
Hopefully not, but Dems need to wake up, TDale313 Jan 2020 #24
Its one thing to stay home on election day and continue to lick your wounds LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #15
Isn't that what Sanders top surrogates did in November 2016? Heck.... George II Jan 2020 #21
Hillary is no ones surrogate. nt Autumn Jan 2020 #26
She didn't encourage others to stay home or vote third-party. George II Jan 2020 #29
Her very position within the Democratic party, her whole family, can be very influencial. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2020 #34
Sanders implied the same thing - he ducked the question by Kasie Hunt. George II Jan 2020 #41
And they shouldn't be either...if you voted for anyone but the nominee, you don't shouldn't be Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #35
Let's not forget Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2020 #47
Her answer to the question was: George II Jan 2020 #17
I wrote the same above OKNancy Jan 2020 #23
Those who support a candidate who has twitter supporters saying they won't vote for Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #32
I get it squirecam Jan 2020 #44
I'm really tired of this. Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #30
I agree. Hillary's statement was rude. There goes 2020. KPN Jan 2020 #36
So are you going to chastise all the Bernie supporters who tweeted #NeverWarren last week? scheming daemons Jan 2020 #37
+1 dalton99a Jan 2020 #38
They are squirecam Jan 2020 #45
I didn't see any Sanders supporters doing that here. Did you? What trolls do on Twitter is none of Autumn Jan 2020 #50
No kidding... MontanaMama Jan 2020 #79
AMEN, PAUL Southern Blueneck Jan 2020 #40
I have no doubt in my mind that Hillary will fully support the eventual Democratic nominee. W_HAMILTON Jan 2020 #48
Stop the Infighting! McKim Jan 2020 #49
I will support the nominee of the party Gothmog Jan 2020 #51
Me 2 librechik Jan 2020 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author mcar Jan 2020 #53
100% Hillary will do what is necessary for the Democratic Party and OnDoutside Jan 2020 #54
H Clinton has always built up the Democratic Party delisen Jan 2020 #55
Exactly. OnDoutside Jan 2020 #67
You are in Ireland right? ChubbyStar Jan 2020 #69
Whoa ! OnDoutside Jan 2020 #70
I relate to Ireland's political scene for the same reason. delisen Jan 2020 #71
Thanks ! OnDoutside Jan 2020 #72
Her actual comments were already presented by others in this thread Hav Jan 2020 #56
And a lot of Hillary supporters despise Sanders so we can call that Sanders "derangement syndrome", Autumn Jan 2020 #57
My point was in regards to people whining about a claim that she wouldn't commit to Hav Jan 2020 #59
You will notice my OP headline is on Krugman's tweet about Hillary disliking Bernie Autumn Jan 2020 #60
I agree. nt Blue_true Jan 2020 #58
I am glad the Joe Biden is not putting up with these lies from sanders and his band of liars Gothmog Jan 2020 #61
So unfair of Bernie to use... Joe's actual words. Autumn Jan 2020 #62
LOL In the real world people can fact check and sanders and his gang of liars have been exposed Gothmog Jan 2020 #63
Here is wny sanders is telling lies about Joe Biden Gothmog Jan 2020 #64
Pass. I'm not interested in some tweet by some unknown on twitter you follow. Done here. Autumn Jan 2020 #65
So you are not familar with Nate Silver's projections? Gothmog Jan 2020 #66
Updated numbers from Nate Gothmog Jan 2020 #73
Does sanders and his staff of liars get tired of lying? Gothmog Jan 2020 #75
Joe Biden on sanders' past positions Gothmog Jan 2020 #78
Why did sanders call for cuts to social security? Gothmog Jan 2020 #80
Utter nonsense. She wasn't saying that she wouldn't support him if he is the nominee. StevieM Jan 2020 #68
I'm undecided for a reason Autumn JustAnotherGen Jan 2020 #76
He won't be the nominee NYMinute Jan 2020 #77
Why did sanders call for cuts to social security? Gothmog Jan 2020 #81
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