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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: Krugman's tweet on disliking Sanders. [View all]Gothmog
(145,313 posts)63. LOL In the real world people can fact check and sanders and his gang of liars have been exposed
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or example, the Sanders campaign sent out an edited transcript of something Biden said about Social Security, claiming that he agreed with former Republican Speaker Paul Ryan. Politifact rated that statement false. Here is the part of the speech they left out.
Now, I dont know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I dont know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.
Since the campaign got caught in that lie, Sanders supporters have attempted to claim that Biden has been advocating for cutting Social Security for 40 years. As is often the case with disinformation, that is based on a half-truth. To solve a budget impasse in 1995, Biden supported a freeze on all federal spending, including cost of living adjustments to Social Security. Then there was his support for an Obama proposal to change the way cost of living increases were calculated, including both the income tax tables and Social Security. But the Sanders campaign turned those positions into an accusation that Biden attempted to slash Social Security.
An honest look at the totality of Bidens position on Social Security would come from listening to Jared Bernstein, a progressive economist who served as an advisor to the former vice president.
.....Some of us spoke up when Sanders hired David Sirota because his modus operandi was obvious to anyone who knew his history. Sirota has a reputation of being a ruthless attack dog. The campaign had to know that when they hired him. But now it seems that Sirota went too far with his attacks and his boss has been forced to apologize.
It is clear that the Sanders campaign will rely on attacks against his opponents. But this latest incident demonstrates that they are still struggling with where the boundaries are for those negative attacks. It is good to know that, at least for the candidate himself, accusing Biden of being corrupt is outside the boundary.
Now, I dont know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I dont know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.
Since the campaign got caught in that lie, Sanders supporters have attempted to claim that Biden has been advocating for cutting Social Security for 40 years. As is often the case with disinformation, that is based on a half-truth. To solve a budget impasse in 1995, Biden supported a freeze on all federal spending, including cost of living adjustments to Social Security. Then there was his support for an Obama proposal to change the way cost of living increases were calculated, including both the income tax tables and Social Security. But the Sanders campaign turned those positions into an accusation that Biden attempted to slash Social Security.
An honest look at the totality of Bidens position on Social Security would come from listening to Jared Bernstein, a progressive economist who served as an advisor to the former vice president.
Link to tweet
.....Some of us spoke up when Sanders hired David Sirota because his modus operandi was obvious to anyone who knew his history. Sirota has a reputation of being a ruthless attack dog. The campaign had to know that when they hired him. But now it seems that Sirota went too far with his attacks and his boss has been forced to apologize.
It is clear that the Sanders campaign will rely on attacks against his opponents. But this latest incident demonstrates that they are still struggling with where the boundaries are for those negative attacks. It is good to know that, at least for the candidate himself, accusing Biden of being corrupt is outside the boundary.
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It's not too early to say you will support whoever the Dem nominee is against Trump.
thesquanderer
Jan 2020
#11
Its one thing to stay home on election day and continue to lick your wounds
LiberalLovinLug
Jan 2020
#15
Her very position within the Democratic party, her whole family, can be very influencial.
LiberalLovinLug
Jan 2020
#34
And they shouldn't be either...if you voted for anyone but the nominee, you don't shouldn't be
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#35
Those who support a candidate who has twitter supporters saying they won't vote for
Demsrule86
Jan 2020
#32
So are you going to chastise all the Bernie supporters who tweeted #NeverWarren last week?
scheming daemons
Jan 2020
#37
I didn't see any Sanders supporters doing that here. Did you? What trolls do on Twitter is none of
Autumn
Jan 2020
#50
I have no doubt in my mind that Hillary will fully support the eventual Democratic nominee.
W_HAMILTON
Jan 2020
#48
And a lot of Hillary supporters despise Sanders so we can call that Sanders "derangement syndrome",
Autumn
Jan 2020
#57
My point was in regards to people whining about a claim that she wouldn't commit to
Hav
Jan 2020
#59
You will notice my OP headline is on Krugman's tweet about Hillary disliking Bernie
Autumn
Jan 2020
#60
I am glad the Joe Biden is not putting up with these lies from sanders and his band of liars
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#61
LOL In the real world people can fact check and sanders and his gang of liars have been exposed
Gothmog
Jan 2020
#63
Pass. I'm not interested in some tweet by some unknown on twitter you follow. Done here.
Autumn
Jan 2020
#65