Krugman's tweet on disliking Sanders.

[Autumn]

Link to tweet

[PJMcK]

1. Yep, that's my point of view

I'm going to vote a straight Democratic ticket.

Just as i always do.

[Autumn]

9. Exactly. And always, always support the Democratic nominee.

She was very wrong to say that.

[PJMcK]

12. Third party voting is a waste of time

So is not voting.

Go Blue!

[David__77]

14. It's a choice.

I personally think that answer is fine. I also think it would be fine for Sanders to have said essentially the same thing in response to a question of if he'll support someone else in the case he doesn't get the nomination. There's a primary underway. That said, I think it is helpful to defeating Trump if there were a higher level of unity among all those opposed to Trump's reelection.

[squirecam]

42. She isn't running

So she should simply say she supports the nominee.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

27. She didn't say that.

[Beakybird]

2. Clinton was wrong to say that.

[KPN]

4. I agree. And it also wasn't a good look for her.

[Butterflylady]

18. Sorry to disagree

But I'm sure she felt betrayed. She had every right to say how felt like we all do. She is the one who felt the loss the most. I just can't imagine what she went thru after the election.

[KPN]

31. WTF? Betrayed? That's the excuse? Small.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

46. If she is pinning the loss on Bernie, her thoughts are misplaced.

Or did Sanders black out Wisconsin on her map so she didn't know how to get here.

[ChiTownDenny]

13. Context matters.

“I’m not going to go there yet. We’re still in a very vigorous primary season,” Clinton said.

I am so NOT surprised the context of her statement was ignored.

[TwilightZone]

28. Agreed.

Much ado about nothing. Again. Still.

[squirecam]

43. She isn't endorsing

So that’s not an excuse.

Blue no matter who.

[Malmsy]

74. I think so too. (eom)

[lark]

3. Not good.

Wish she hadn't said that, but guess she's still bitter as she has a right to be.

[OKNancy]

8. What she said

If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?

I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season.

[OKNancy]

5. But she didn't say that

She said it was too early in the primary to say anything. Typical NY Times misstatement.

From the interview: If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?

I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season.

[thesquanderer]

11. It's not too early to say you will support whoever the Dem nominee is against Trump.

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She was not willing to say that?

[OKNancy]

22. Hillary

"I'll do anything I can to defeat the current incumbent, and to reverse a lot of his damaging policies."

[TDale313]

16. The correct answer is "Yes. Whoever the Dem Nominee is"

As we have been reminded now for 4+ years. I completely get her bitterness towards Sanders, but we’re gonna need her to do the right thing and be 100% enthusiastic about the Dem nominee. It’s too important, and she has way too many supporters who will be watching how she handles this. Supporters who have spent 4 years blaming Sanders and his team for not being as enthusiastic as he might have been for giving us Trump.

[OKNancy]

20. Also from the same interview

I'll do anything I can to defeat the current incumbent, and to reverse a lot of his damaging policies.

[TDale313]

25. Great.

[sheshe2]

33. Thanks, OKNancy.

From the interview: If he gets the nomination, will you endorse and campaign for him?

Not endorsing is NOT the same as saying you will not vote for him. She is a loyal Democrat, no way would she stay home and not vote for the nominee.

[Mike 03]

6. Paul Krugman is right. nt

[jalan48]

7. We're looking at four more years of Trump.

[David__77]

10. It's a real possibility.

...

[lark]

19. Not because of anything Clinton said.

If we lose it's because of his rampant criminality - he will have stolen it, period.the.end. He will use voter suppression but also hacking. I believe they will go full in on stealing our election. Now, will they manipulate the voter database - erasing Dems, or just flip Dem to Repug votes during the reporting process or find some other wholesale illegal way to do this?

Yes, there will be some jerks who are purists (all Bernies' top folks are examples) and who won't vote if their preferred person isn't the one, but most people will recognize this existential threat and vote for the D, for sanity, for health, for our constitution. GOTV and all hands on deck is the only way we win. Hope that will happen when it's crunch time.

[The Mouth]

39. Put a LOT of the blame

on the 100 million or so who can't be bothered to vote; they are the real problem. Everyone herking and jerking over 3 million in the popular vote when 33 times that number didn't even vote.

[TDale313]

24. Hopefully not, but Dems need to wake up,

We can’t just count on being “better than Trump” (They all are. By far) We can’t assume his support will fall apart. It’s not a given Trump will lose... but it’s possible, even likely. If we are smart.

[LiberalLovinLug]

15. Its one thing to stay home on election day and continue to lick your wounds

But ffs, don't be encouraging others by broadcasting it!

I wonder how many in here now that used to believe in "Vote Blue no matter Who" now feel they have "permission" not to.

[George II]

21. Isn't that what Sanders top surrogates did in November 2016? Heck....

....Nina Turner, Briahna Gray, David Sirota, and Cornell West openly and proudly said they voted for Jill Stein.

[Autumn]

26. Hillary is no ones surrogate. nt

[George II]

29. She didn't encourage others to stay home or vote third-party.

[LiberalLovinLug]

34. Her very position within the Democratic party, her whole family, can be very influencial.

Stating she won't commit to voting for the Democratic nominee is a powerful statement from her. Surely you must admit that.

[George II]

41. Sanders implied the same thing - he ducked the question by Kasie Hunt.

[Demsrule86]

35. And they shouldn't be either...if you voted for anyone but the nominee, you don't shouldn't be

working in a Democratic primary.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

47. Let's not forget

that Sanders supporters voted for Clinton at a higher rate than Clinton supporters voted for Obama.

But don't let pesky facts like people actually voting for the nominee get in your way. Keep shitting on Sanders and blaming him for eht 2016 loss.

[George II]

17. Her answer to the question was:

"I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season."

[OKNancy]

23. I wrote the same above

lots of twisting going on.
Plus in the same interview she said: "I'll do anything I can to defeat the current incumbent, and to reverse a lot of his damaging policies."

[Demsrule86]

32. Those who support a candidate who has twitter supporters saying they won't vote for

anyone but him are now outraged that someone who supports a different candidate might feel the same way? Personally, I think we need to vote blue no matter what. But Sander's has hired supporters who didn't do that in 16 and has supporters who on twitter threaten to blow up the 20 election if he is not the nominee...it does not surprise me that this threat of withholding support could hurt every candidate...Sanders is not exempt. God willing it won't happen. We need to get rid of Trump. It is fine to be passionate about your candidate but at the end of the day support the Democratic nominee period. And please can some stop implying that the election will be blown up if their candidate doesn't win?

[squirecam]

44. I get it

But you still need to support the nominee.

[Pacifist Patriot]

30. I'm really tired of this.

Not you, Autumn. I'm not shooting the messenger, I promise!

Maybe I'm overly sensitive, but I have a hard time believing a man would be treated this same way if he'd had a bitter primary battle with Sanders and declined to commit support at this point in time.

Secretary Clinton also said, ""I'm not going to go there yet. We're still in a very vigorous primary season," and "I'll do anything I can to defeat the current incumbent, and to reverse a lot of his damaging policies." in the same damn interview.

I just see this of one more example of how women expressing disappointment and/or bitterness are castigated as whiners or being unfair while men who do likewise are standing up for themselves or just telling it like it is.

She didn't say every last Bernie supporter was a white male troll on Twitter. But damn it, plenty were and Bernie never unequivocally disavowed the behavior or told them to knock it the hell off. At least not that I could tell.

For full disclosure, I voted for Bernie in the 2016 primary. Later came to wish I hadn't.

[KPN]

36. I agree. Hillary's statement was rude. There goes 2020.

Ya know — there are reasons some people chose not to vote for HRC in 2016. This is harmful, not helpful.

[scheming daemons]

37. So are you going to chastise all the Bernie supporters who tweeted #NeverWarren last week?

[dalton99a]

38. +1

[squirecam]

45. They are

Just as wrong.

[Autumn]

50. I didn't see any Sanders supporters doing that here. Did you? What trolls do on Twitter is none of

my business and I have no intention of engaging Bots. YMMV.

[MontanaMama]

79. No kidding...

I worry WAY more that Sanders supporters won’t vote for the Dem nominee if it isn’t BS...or voting 3rd party or not voting at all.

[Southern Blueneck]

40. AMEN, PAUL

I'm a Bidenite, but whomever is the nominee is my nominee!

[W_HAMILTON]

48. I have no doubt in my mind that Hillary will fully support the eventual Democratic nominee.

Can Sanders top campaign officials and staff say the same? Because they sure as hell didn't last time around.

[McKim]

49. Stop the Infighting!

Stop the infighting, it is hurting our party!!!!! We can’t afford to spend energy rehashing 2016. Vote blue no matter who!!!!! That is what Hillary should have said. All leaders must get on board.

[Gothmog]

51. I will support the nominee of the party

I will support the nominee of the party but I strongly doubt that sanders will be the nominee of the party. There are far too many real Democrats who have good memories and who will not forgive or forget

[librechik]

52. Me 2

It's my signature nt

[OnDoutside]

54. 100% Hillary will do what is necessary for the Democratic Party and

America, but right now, she's staying outside the Primary battle but if she's going to tip her hand for anyone, it's understandable that it won't be Gabbard, and it certainly wouldn't be Sanders.

There's a sweet irony to see Sanders supporters losing their shit over her answer though. Karma's a beach.

[delisen]

55. H Clinton has always built up the Democratic Party

[OnDoutside]

67. Exactly.

[ChubbyStar]

69. You are in Ireland right?

Do you vote here? Have a voice here in the USA? But you chime in a ton and most of it negative, why?

[OnDoutside]

70. Whoa !

Yes I am in Ireland
No, I'm not a US citizen, but my brother and his family live in the US and have always voted Dem
Yes I chime in a lot, but my post count says "not a ton"
It's outrageous of you to say that "most of it negative". Maybe I don't agree with a lot of your personal positions ? I don't know what your positions are, I'm not keeping score !
Like it our not, what happens in the US affects us in Europe, in a large way, never more so than now. If Trump wins another 4 years, i fear for not just the US, but democracy all over the world.

[delisen]

71. I relate to Ireland's political scene for the same reason.

Plus my brother-in-law and good friend has an Irish passport, as does my niece.

We are stronger together! and if democracy is going to survive we need to keep up the conversation.

So "chime in."

[OnDoutside]

72. Thanks !

Probably because of JFK, but the vast majority of the Irish people have been pro the Democratic Party, and long may it continue. The likes of myself understand how important it is to have a Democratic President, never more so than in 2020.

[Hav]

56. Her actual comments were already presented by others in this thread

But I don't know whether Hillary would have been welcome by Bernie's campaign to support him. He has some notable Hillary haters working for him and if you follow twitter, a considerable fraction of Bernie's supporters really despise Clinton. Hillary derangement syndrome is a factor that is unfortunately really strong in his "movement". So it's a non-issue either way.

[Autumn]

57. And a lot of Hillary supporters despise Sanders so we can call that Sanders "derangement syndrome",

what's your point? There are many of us who support, like and respect him. Her opinion of him will change nothing about that.

[Hav]

59. My point was in regards to people whining about a claim that she wouldn't commit to

supporting Bernie should he win the nomination. My point was that she wouldn't be welcome by a campaign that purposefully chose to employ Hillary haters and by supporters who openly despise her.

[Autumn]

60. You will notice my OP headline is on Krugman's tweet about Hillary disliking Bernie

He didn't say she said she wouldn't commit to supporting Bernie. He correctly pointed out that declining to comment if she would commit to support him should he be the nominee is wrong. Hillary is not some surrogate or a nobody off the street. Her words matter.

As for the whining? I haven't seen a Sanders supporter whine in this thread yet.

[Blue_true]

58. I agree. nt

[Gothmog]

61. I am glad the Joe Biden is not putting up with these lies from sanders and his band of liars

Link to tweet

[Autumn]

62. So unfair of Bernie to use... Joe's actual words.

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

63. LOL In the real world people can fact check and sanders and his gang of liars have been exposed

Link to tweet

F

or example, the Sanders campaign sent out an edited transcript of something Biden said about Social Security, claiming that he agreed with former Republican Speaker Paul Ryan. Politifact rated that statement false. Here is the part of the speech they left out.
Now, I don’t know a whole lot of people in the top one-tenth of 1 percent or the top 1 percent who are relying on Social Security when they retire. I don’t know a lot of them. Maybe you guys do. So we need a pro-growth, progressive tax code that treats workers as job creators, as well, not just investors; that gets rid of unprotective loopholes like stepped-up basis; and it raises enough revenue to make sure that the Social Security and Medicare can stay, it still needs adjustments, but can stay; and pay for the things we all acknowledge will grow the country.

Since the campaign got caught in that lie, Sanders supporters have attempted to claim that Biden has been advocating for cutting Social Security for 40 years. As is often the case with disinformation, that is based on a half-truth. To solve a budget impasse in 1995, Biden supported a freeze on all federal spending, including cost of living adjustments to Social Security. Then there was his support for an Obama proposal to change the way cost of living increases were calculated, including both the income tax tables and Social Security. But the Sanders campaign turned those positions into an accusation that Biden attempted to “slash Social Security.”
An honest look at the totality of Biden’s position on Social Security would come from listening to Jared Bernstein, a progressive economist who served as an advisor to the former vice president.

Link to tweet

.....Some of us spoke up when Sanders hired David Sirota because his modus operandi was obvious to anyone who knew his history. Sirota has a reputation of being a ruthless attack dog. The campaign had to know that when they hired him. But now it seems that Sirota went too far with his attacks and his boss has been forced to apologize.

It is clear that the Sanders campaign will rely on attacks against his opponents. But this latest incident demonstrates that they are still struggling with where the boundaries are for those negative attacks. It is good to know that, at least for the candidate himself, accusing Biden of being corrupt is outside the boundary.

[Gothmog]

64. Here is wny sanders is telling lies about Joe Biden

Link to tweet

[Autumn]

65. Pass. I'm not interested in some tweet by some unknown on twitter you follow. Done here.

[Gothmog]

66. So you are not familar with Nate Silver's projections?

That is interesting. Here is a link to Nate's latest projections that show that Biden is close to 50% to be the nominee and sanders' slim chances have been dropping like a rock
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primary-forecast/

[Gothmog]

73. Updated numbers from Nate

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

75. Does sanders and his staff of liars get tired of lying?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

78. Joe Biden on sanders' past positions

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

80. Why did sanders call for cuts to social security?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[StevieM]

68. Utter nonsense. She wasn't saying that she wouldn't support him if he is the nominee.

Her tweet on the subject made that clear.

All she was saying was that she didn't want to jump the gun and talk about any particular candidate as a future nominee while the primary was ongoing.

She has repeatedly made it clear that she will support the ticket.

[JustAnotherGen]

76. I'm undecided for a reason Autumn

I don't care - ultimately - there's one person still in it that I detest but she doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination without the Russians rigging it for her like they did for Trump in the GE.

Any of our candidates would be better than trump.

And I think you would agree- that Biden, Warren, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, Steyer, Bloomberg -

Would be a far better choice than Trump.

Correct? You DO intend to go all out for the eventual nominee even if it is NOT Sanders - right? Like - you aren't going to smear them, or be angry. You are going to get down to work - right?

[NYMinute]

77. He won't be the nominee

Problem solved

[Gothmog]

81. Why did sanders call for cuts to social security?

Link to tweet

Link to tweet