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boomer_wv

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15. You don't win these types of debates.
Fri Dec 20, 2019, 01:04 AM
Dec 2019

I think it's better to look at it from a standpoint of who came out of it having accomplished what they wanted/needed to and didn't take any scars.

Biden needed to look like the most presidential candidate on the stage and he did that. He also took very little fire and had no trouble swatting away what did come. Plus, he got Bernie to come right out and say he would raise everyones taxes. Bernie tried to add on that it would be offset, but nobody wins a race by promising to universally raise taxes.


Klobuchar needed to stay in the race and make some kind of move. She clearly did that and she'll get a bump for it, if it lasts will be the next question.

Pete spent most of the night defending himself and I'm not sure he was able to really get his message out with all of the incoming. #Winecave is trending on Twitter right now, which probably isn't great for him. He did get Warren back on that exchange, but Pete needs that young educated white vote, and that's the group that is pushing the hashtag right now.

Warren got her big shot in on Pete, who I taking a lot of the support that she's lost. I think she sees him as her biggest problem, but he isn't. He's just catching the support that she is shedding from being seen as a less than genuine candidate. She had all of the trouble with her M4A plan and then did a 180 turn on it, that hurt her. Tonight he managed to point out that she has raised money the same way that she is attacking him for. It plays into the narrative and hurt her.

Sanders, like I mentioned before, told everyone in the country that he wants to raise their taxes. That's a loser. He also had some ban answers on things that people are already see him as suspect on....gender issues for instance. Again, playing into the negative narrative.

Yang had a pretty good night and he got his message out there. But, it just seems like he doesn't have the gravitas to expand his base beyond the people who have always been with him. I think everyone likes him and largely agrees with what he says, but not a lot of people are willing to put him up against Trump.

Steyer is similar in that he had a pretty fair night. However, there just isn't a lane for this guy this cycle.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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