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Hekate

(90,686 posts)
Sat Oct 5, 2019, 08:02 PM Oct 2019

To all those who still want to pound on Warren for her family history that turned out to be legend-- [View all]

I am so very sorry you were raised by wolves and had no family to tell you entertaining bedtime stories to give you something to live up to -- or even to live down.

Mythology is not the same as "lies," though we may believe a myth as long as we need to.

Trump lies -- he lies to build himself up, to conceal crimes, to tear others down, to destroy others. I don't see any of our Dems doing that, do you?

The myth of the Native American ancestor is very common among white Americans. It's a badge of belonging to the land, I think. As long as the believer isn't trying to access some set-aside reserved for tribal members (and tribes decide who belongs, by the way) where is the harm?

I have a Native American ancestor. She's listed in the family genealogy I copied out at 13 when I stayed with my grandma. It was compiled from family Bibles. No one ever mentioned that ancestor -- she was listed as "part-Pequot Indian," and would have married into the original English branch of the family around 1700, possibly earlier. My grandma was much more interested in the Irish, who came a lot later and some of whom she remembered personally. We have, as it happens, a lot of family lore (mythology?) about them, the Irish that is.

The point is -- at this remove in time, what is the likelihood that this lady's DNA would show up in my DNA sample as even a minute trace? If I mentioned my connection as a point of interest, would I be lying? She existed, right enough. (Later on, my mom did 4 books of serious research, much more than that list of begats.) If I mention her, am I bragging about something I have no right to? If I fail to mention her, would I be accused of being ashamed if someone found out?

Damned if you do and damned if you don't. What a country.

One final point, DUers: stop letting goddammed Trump set the goddam narrative about our candidates. Just stop it.

Edited to add: this is my 57,000th post. Happy to defend a Dem.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Thank you, Hekate. sheshe2 Oct 2019 #1
Thanks back atcha, She Hekate Oct 2019 #36
💕 sheshe2 Oct 2019 #55
for me your final point is the most important. not just trump, i see democrats using republicans Lib 4 Life Oct 2019 #2
This is a good post. My great-great grandmother Cassandra was supposed to be PatrickforO Oct 2019 #3
Good post. As for the Pocahontas thing - DURHAM D Oct 2019 #8
My uncle told me that he was 1/4 Cherokee and I was 1/8th. demigoddess Oct 2019 #20
How many generations ago did her ancestors even come here? AdamGG Oct 2019 #28
Nah, cause if you look at a generation as being around 20 years, PatrickforO Oct 2019 #38
It's definitely possible, it's just that a few generations back puts me at Ellis Island AdamGG Oct 2019 #61
Not sure how you figure. I can trace my family back to the 1600s in Europe. PatrickforO Oct 2019 #64
If you even go back 4 generations... MoonchildCA Oct 2019 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #66
There sure are a lot of Irish, too. Every March 17th. blm Oct 2019 #4
You must mean Olaf Drumpf. keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #11
Her parents told her that her great great great grandmother Eric J in MN Oct 2019 #5
Uh huh Hekate Oct 2019 #7
So? nt DURHAM D Oct 2019 #9
yup, very stupid Skittles Oct 2019 #15
For the sake of being self-righteous, I'd pretend it's relevant as well. LanternWaste Oct 2019 #69
Is that a line from a movie? NT Eric J in MN Oct 2019 #73
Happy 57,000th post. guillaumeb Oct 2019 #6
Thank you Hekate Oct 2019 #40
Here's The Trump Family History (Bookmark This For Next Time Pocahontas Comes Up) DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #10
Grandson Mme. Defarge Oct 2019 #18
I want his entire clan of grifters broken down so far they have to go back to the ancestral Yukon... Hekate Oct 2019 #41
I lived in Oklahoma for 20+ years catrose Oct 2019 #12
Interesting. I've heard similar views from other Oklahoma residents. blm Oct 2019 #14
Absolutely agree, Hekate! peggysue2 Oct 2019 #13
Love it about the Neanderthal strain! My mom the genealogist & the entire rest of the family... Hekate Oct 2019 #32
Still makes me laugh peggysue2 Oct 2019 #34
Hey, watch it. I'm one of those Neanderthals too. nolabear Oct 2019 #53
It's just an excuse for racism... Steven Maurer Oct 2019 #16
Bien dit, ma belle! Mme. Defarge Oct 2019 #17
Thank you, too Hekate Oct 2019 #42
Congrats on 57,000! And a hearty agreement with your post! KnR. Beartracks Oct 2019 #19
Thanks! Hekate Oct 2019 #43
When DNA tests are mentioned in relation to Native American ancestory it makes me cringe a bit Major Nikon Oct 2019 #21
It's a complicated relationship Boomer Oct 2019 #23
I was born during WWII. iows - I am old. DURHAM D Oct 2019 #24
My maternal grandmother would never admit to being Native American Major Nikon Oct 2019 #44
You make many good points here. And another is that even siblings, other than identical twins, pnwmom Oct 2019 #22
There's a lot going on here. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2019 #25
We share a home state BannonsLiver Oct 2019 #26
Not as simple as people think catchnrelease Oct 2019 #27
My daughter's significant other has a Hispanic name, dark eyes, and black hair. Deeply tanned.... Hekate Oct 2019 #39
both a son and a daughter of mine did 23, as did i. mopinko Oct 2019 #50
All my life I was told I had a Chickasaw great grandmother. rickyhall Oct 2019 #29
Obama's mother is white but Trump knows he was born in Kenya IronLionZion Oct 2019 #30
We always thought my grandfather was part Native American. Snarkoleptic Oct 2019 #31
My ancestor, Susie Redman, was said to be Cherokee. Lunabell Oct 2019 #33
Same here. OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #45
Except her family history wasn't legend Bradshaw3 Oct 2019 #35
Yep -- and did you see the thread in this forum today with poster after poster going after her... Hekate Oct 2019 #37
Trump's "Swedish" Heritage Wasn't Legend - It Was A LIE DrFunkenstein Oct 2019 #49
Indigenous Peoples is better term HockeyMom Oct 2019 #46
Native American Heritage--Im an anthrpolpgist UncleNoel Oct 2019 #47
Is someone doing that here? cwydro Oct 2019 #48
Several someones, ranging from "concerned" to "shocked," & it persists. Irks me every time... Hekate Oct 2019 #57
Thanks! I'll pay more attention. cwydro Oct 2019 #58
The same thing happened to my DIL was shocked at the results. dewsgirl Oct 2019 #51
Thank you, Hekate! BlueMTexpat Oct 2019 #52
Nothing "turned out to be legend" jcgoldie Oct 2019 #54
There are dancers in the dance nitpicker Oct 2019 #56
Hekate, even halfway principled people never bought into this Hortensis Oct 2019 #59
I recall the DNA proved Warren correct treestar Oct 2019 #62
Yes. But Trump's slurs & lies entered the public sphere, & now we've got people ... Hekate Oct 2019 #63
And it's aggravating that the Dotard treestar Oct 2019 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Oct 2019 #65
I'll admit that I was among those who were annoyed ecstatic Oct 2019 #67
Yes, it's one thing to say that you have a certain heritage, hughee99 Oct 2019 #68
"stop letting goddammed Trump set the goddam narrative about our candidates. Just stop it." TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #70
Who exactly is "pounding" brooklynite Oct 2019 #71
Several threads featuring Warren, given enough time several posters show up with everything from Hekate Oct 2019 #74
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