2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Bernie Supporters - Please read my post [View all]rpannier
(24,329 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 3, 2015, 06:38 AM - Edit history (1)
But, I do see a few of the HRC people posting how Sanders will never win
I know of at least one who is totally hung up on him not being a real Democrat because he's been an independent, so that person doesn't think we should support him
I have had this discussion with African-American friends of mine, and you are right, 'Black people LIKE the Clintons' - at least the one's I know from Chicago and Lake County in Indiana
I've pressed a few of them to explain why and it comes down to a variety of reasons; which is good, because I'd hate to think it was one reason only. I have reminded them of policy decisions of Bill, the Jesse Jackson comment about Obama and HRC's votes and positions on incarceration, her vote on changing bankruptcy laws, etc
Most of my friends tell me, 'She's changed.'
They also believe she listens and that she's been unfairly treated over the past 2 decades. While those that feel she's been mistreated don't come out and say it, I think they feel an understanding of what it's like to constantly be under assault by the media, the politico-sphere, etc.
I see no point in going into a knock down drag-out with them because it's not worth pissing them off, or me for that matter.
There isn't enough of a difference between HRC and Sanders to take it to a steel cage match -- if it were Sanders and Webb we were talking about, I'd be more forceful. If it were Sanders and Jeb, I'd throw up my hands and bang my head against the wall. But, it's not.
I am not convinced she's changed that much. I don't think, like many people here do, that everything she says, every evolution she's made is calculated for the most votes. Plus, and this is one of the arguments one of my friends gave me, when she lost in 2008 she didn't pout and whine like the PUMA group did. She accepted the results, spoke on Obama's behalf and served in his cabinet.
I realize my group of African-American friends in the Chicago-Lake County, IN area do not constitute a mega-gigantic group (40 families), but it's a few things I hear from them