2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Bernie Supporters - Please read my post [View all]TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)fracking loving, surveillance state championing, "free" trading, TeaPubliKlan appeasing, drug warring, war criminal whitewashing, type to "win" then why bother I can just throw up a Ready for Hillary sticker and go along with whatever the establishment prefers to doomsday.
This isn't a discussion about choosing an avatar, a clone of Sanders with a different set of ideas with an unswerving predilection for the "wisdom" of Larry Summers along with Hillary and the worst of the Clinton crew and utterly without any articulably valid reason Arnie Duncan, Clapper, and Petraeus is of exactly zero interest or benefit nor worth any effort to advance in a primary.
What do I need with Heath bar wrappers on a 3 Musketeers. If I wanted a damn 3 Musketeers the shelves have no shortage, I didn't want the Heath for the paper I'm fixing to toss in the trash.
Of course nobody gets 100% of what they want, there will be compromises when dealing with other people but the point is to at least start the negotiations at another position. Maybe I can only get a weak but similar Skor, maybe it is Chocolate with toffee chips.
Hell, maybe I end up with a Snickers or even a sadsack Milky Way if that is the way the cookie crumbles as an actual compromise breaks that way but to tell me the compromise is I get my choice of wrapper then I'm left wondering what is going on that anyone would think that was of any value.
If all I can have is 3 Musketeers then just give it to me wrapper and all but I reject the notion and instead will fight for what I think is right because the fight is worth having even in defeat and it's not to be an asshole but because Obama cannot make wrongheaded neoliberalism right for me nor will it change the demonstrated outcomes of those policies to something they don't intend.
Plus, this line of reasoning isn't even ideological based. There is no honest and heartfelt argument about the policies opposed themselves. In fact no argument of the merits in and of themselves at all.
The only play ideology has in the discussion is embracing one that I know doesn't work, is often detrimental, and significantly empowers the worst and most powerful wrongheaded motherfuckers on the face of the Earth in reverence to a politician that keeps a lot of vipers at arms reach or closer.
I first voted for Obama to repudiate some of the very things I'm being advised to embrace because he did in order to "win" and that doesn't and I think shouldn't fly with anyone because it isn't rational and similar thinking has led straight to disaster way more often than not throughout history.
You're a wise beyond years person, redact the names and situation and tell me it is a logical thought process that should be standard operating procedure.
This isn't an ideological discussion but rather close as I can compare it to is a religious one. I don't need to come to worship.