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2016 Postmortem

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vaberella

(24,634 posts)
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 10:44 PM Jan 2017

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I'm really fed up with so many on this site blaming Bernie for HRC's loss. A loss is a loss. If people truly believed in her, they would have voted for her. I read recently Bernie forced HRC to lean more left than remain centrist. That wasn't the case between her and Obama; and she lost to him.

States, I truly never would turn red turned red---like Pennsylvania. Yeah, that really shocked me. I don't think Bernie had anything to do with that. Was/Am I a Bernie supporter hell yeah! But I wasn't supporting Bernie because I hated HRC---I was actually supporting a person who was adding to a two party system and leading a strong coalition.

I HATE a two party system. I hate the electoral college. Voices are lost---you either have to stick to one or another but can't seem to move past it. I liked Bernie's politics, no doubt. But he was building something there that I feel the US needed. Not to mention it was a focus on social programs that I appreciate.

In reality, if we have to blame someone or people for HRC's loss---it's the fact she could not in any way connect with uneducated White women voters. Not to mention her ratings with educated White women voters versus Trumps was negligible. Bernie didn't do anything. I think even the reporters were shocked by how much White women voters influenced the election---because they had spent so much of their time on the Latino vote.

They took for granted that White women voters would go for HRC without a doubt. Just like they expected Obama to have the Black vote. They underestimated their numbers, presence, and what they stood for. Never take women for granted, no matter the colour of their skin.

So rather than harass Bernie---lets focus on voting statistics and who matter aside from getting our small town people to run for town elections. That's the way to make proactive changes and who's minds we have to influence if not change.

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Bernie, Bernie, Bernie... [View all] vaberella Jan 2017 OP
Oh Boy! Where's my popcorn? leftofcool Jan 2017 #1
Seriously. FSogol Jan 2017 #2
... WhiteTara Jan 2017 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chasstev365 Jan 2017 #11
Hell! sheshe2 Jan 2017 #13
I'm sure drama will erupt...sigh. n/a vaberella Jan 2017 #6
I'm with ya'! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2017 #8
I do NOT blame Bernie. I do blame Comey and the FBI. Bernie after all endorsed Hillary, and still_one Jan 2017 #3
A third party has got to be formed at the grass roots level and build up. Shortcuts just fuck us up bettyellen Jan 2017 #5
I didn't say they didn't matter. Shoot to me Trump was a sleeper KGB. vaberella Jan 2017 #9
it was a pretty big thing and one of the biggest things pushed against her even on this site JI7 Jan 2017 #12
HRC didn't lose the election. It was a Russian backed coup. underthematrix Jan 2017 #7
What kind of country are we to have KGB agent sleeper cells? n/t vaberella Jan 2017 #10
lulz Rex Jan 2017 #14
Bernie has large responsibility for why we are where we are. democratisphere Jan 2017 #15
Bull. TDale313 Jan 2017 #21
Everyone understands the status quo can not continue, but democratisphere Jan 2017 #22
Oh god no. TDale313 Jan 2017 #23
Sadly, many are using legitimate concerns about Russia-- QC Jan 2017 #41
It's ridiculous that anyone blames a primary candidate for a general loss VoicesAcrossAmerica Jan 2017 #16
That's an accurate view, IMO. Plus, any former Bernie supporters who didn't turn out for her JudyM Jan 2017 #18
Whatever helps you sleep at night. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #34
I might have a bit more insight into what happened on the Sanders side, but think what you need to. JudyM Jan 2017 #35
Whatever helps you sleep at night. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #36
Tough. He screwed Clinton over just like Kennedy screwed Carter over. JTFrog Jan 2017 #33
Took 8 weeks and 3 days after the nomination was won... joshcryer Jan 2017 #17
He followed rules. The same cannot be said for her campaign. That's why many lost all enthusiasm JudyM Jan 2017 #19
Yeah, by appointing a Jill Stein supporter to the DNC committee. joshcryer Jan 2017 #20
The rust belt went "meh" TDale313 Jan 2017 #24
The negative framing of Hillary worked and remained with voters who described voting for her as: JHan Jan 2017 #27
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #38
LOL, ok if you say so. I'm sure that's what happened. The rust belt went meh because of Bernie. JudyM Jan 2017 #28
If he had done so immediately marlakay Jan 2017 #42
The illogic continues. joshcryer Jan 2017 #43
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #25
I'm really fed up........ stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #26
No, The Systems Not Totally Rigged. But That Idea Sure Helped Donald Trump. Gothmog Jan 2017 #29
Have you bought his latest book yet? Gothmog Jan 2017 #30
Lol. He used our party for money, media and then was a spoiler of the worst kind. JTFrog Jan 2017 #31
"I read recently Bernie forced HRC to lean more left than remain centrist." betsuni Jan 2017 #32
Bernie decided to be the Ralph Nader of 2016. There have been consequences. delisen Jan 2017 #37
Give it up dude, it's over! CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #39
He saw an opportunity to make some money and took it. nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #40
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