2016 Postmortem

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86. Could. Not. Agree. With. You. More!!!

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If the Democratic Party decides to ignore the concerns of minority voters to get white 'Rust Belt' [View all] bravenak Nov 2016 OP

Not only that but its not making any sense, if the "rust belt" voters economies are better now uponit7771 Nov 2016 #1

Nobody really believes they have it worse but it damn sure seems to me that even democrats bravenak Nov 2016 #2

Yeap, what's the DNC message supposed to be now... we're stronger than those people!? There are uponit7771 Nov 2016 #14

It is my opinion that they bought the message of the gop because they WANTED TO bravenak Nov 2016 #15

It has been going on since before the 1980s. duffyduff Nov 2016 #95

Definitely they are willfully stupid. One can only make so many excuses for them, and then the RKP5637 Nov 2016 #102

Exactly. They know better. They just dont give a shit bravenak Nov 2016 #107

This has been going on since the DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #108

Well, some may actually believe that, but Dems can't control what others believe. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #23

I agree wholeheartedly bravenak Nov 2016 #29

But I guess my point is that a lot of Trump supporters probably do believe that. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #50

So true bravenak Nov 2016 #59

I unfortunately think it is higher than 20% who are unreachable Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #82

Yeah, 20-25% is my conservative estimate. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #175

Absolutely. It is mostly young Sanders supporters who are suggesting this. duffyduff Nov 2016 #93

the repukes are about racism AND income inequality wordpix Nov 2016 #212

1 uponit7771 Nov 2016 #219

Because you can't walk and chew gum at the same time? davidn3600 Nov 2016 #3

hillary supported a platform that supported everyone. Trump supporters didn't want that JI7 Nov 2016 #7

yeap, EXPLICITLY get rid of them too, not some soft dog whistle shit uponit7771 Nov 2016 #9

Yeah, but calling walking riding a bike isn't making sense at all... somethings aren't fitting the uponit7771 Nov 2016 #8

Our political parties have a masterful way of adapting to changing environments davidn3600 Nov 2016 #16

it's only meaningless for those who think minority votes should not count JI7 Nov 2016 #33

No one here is saying that minority votes shouldnt count davidn3600 Nov 2016 #46

they hold on to power through a system where certain people's votes count more , it does matter that JI7 Nov 2016 #54

So what about the 35% of Latino voters in Florida that voted for Trump? davidn3600 Nov 2016 #58

they voted on Castro as they usually do and upset at Obama's opening relations with the country. JI7 Nov 2016 #60

So that happened in 2008 and 2012? Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #111

Obama bravenak Nov 2016 #120

I know. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #124

that was before Obama opened relations with Cuba JI7 Nov 2016 #133

See Puerto Rican vote in FL. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #135

yeah and fuck them all. i don't make excuses for them the way whites who vote JI7 Nov 2016 #139

That is one state bravenak Nov 2016 #61

exactly. another difference is we don't make excuses for minorities who vote republican JI7 Nov 2016 #137

Agreed. We give them the same sideeye we give white trump voters. Maybe even a bigger sideeye bravenak Nov 2016 #141

Point is.. JHan Nov 2016 #104

Exactly n/t Lizz612 Nov 2016 #203

You said it. The Party has grown conservative in many ways. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #109

They are stupid and bigoted. Now they will impoverish themselves with King Trump the racist asshole. bravenak Nov 2016 #118

Well, I'm sure you are in alert-proof swagger, and I am not. But I do note an extremist... Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #131

Oh bullshit bravenak Nov 2016 #132

Thanks for the brevity. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #225

yours is the same heaven05 Nov 2016 #186

Persistently wrong. As I have stated here and over the years we WILL deal with... Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #224

WE WILL DEAL heaven05 Nov 2016 #234

We still live in some semblance of a democracy, and have to act accordingly... Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #236

keep talking heaven05 Nov 2016 #237

Talking and acting:. I'll do both. Eleanors38 Dec 2016 #241

Who is it that really plays "identity politics?" Garrett78 Nov 2016 #10

Hi bravenak Chitown Kev Nov 2016 #4

I agree, Kev bravenak Nov 2016 #11

Good to see you, Kev. brer cat Nov 2016 #70

hi kev mopinko Nov 2016 #94

It's not either-or HassleCat Nov 2016 #5

Can we? Because it sure seem s to me that folks want us to shut up about 'identity politics' bravenak Nov 2016 #12

Maybe some people who don't really get both the practical implications of that, or what JCanete Nov 2016 #97

I don't get the resistance to accepting that some simply can't be reached. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #6

Awesome post. You have been really making alot of sense lately bravenak Nov 2016 #13

Thanks. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #24

As a white Democrat who voted for Clinton, I agree with this post Gothmog Nov 2016 #155

For the life of me, I don't know why there's resistance to that idea. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #179

If identity politics inspires POC voters ZX86 Nov 2016 #17

If only POC voters had voted Chitown Kev Nov 2016 #18

while at the same time trying to convince us that those calling for walls and banning people JI7 Nov 2016 #21

But HRC didn't win. ZX86 Nov 2016 #22

OK, you think that POC and their policy priorities Chitown Kev Nov 2016 #26

Do you think POC policy priorities ZX86 Nov 2016 #28

foreign involvement in campaigns should be called out. along with the racists who support JI7 Nov 2016 #31

Absolutely bravenak Nov 2016 #38

How does that win elections ZX86 Nov 2016 #40

by holding people accountable for what they supported . they voted trump they voted for a fucking JI7 Nov 2016 #41

How does ignoring our concerns win elections or get poc priorities implemented in policy? bravenak Nov 2016 #43

Back to my hiatus with a thought Chitown Kev Nov 2016 #51

I agree. We are taken for granted by ALL SIDES bravenak Nov 2016 #57

Hillary was loud and proud. Most progressive candidate. boston bean Nov 2016 #62

I agree bravenak Nov 2016 #66

PoC didnt vote 90% for Clinton. Trump got close to 30% of Latino votes last I saw Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #83

my bad. boston bean Nov 2016 #87

when people get scared heaven05 Nov 2016 #187

And it is always thus. Well we knew this would happen. bravenak Nov 2016 #188

EXACTLY heaven05 Nov 2016 #191

POC DID vote but the voter suppression was apparently large wordpix Nov 2016 #215

she did get more than 2 million votes JI7 Nov 2016 #19

As with so many things, it's the GOP that does what they accuse Dems of doing (see post #10). Garrett78 Nov 2016 #25

HRC lost the election. ZX86 Nov 2016 #27

they are deplorable along with anyone who defends them . Russia, FBI involvement JI7 Nov 2016 #30

So what's plan? ZX86 Nov 2016 #35

republicans lost the last 2 elections. we see the country is full of racists . call them out JI7 Nov 2016 #42

I'm hearing a lot of rhetoric ZX86 Nov 2016 #45

See post #6. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #52

you don't solve it without calling it out and identifying it. and certainly not by lying about it JI7 Nov 2016 #55

I think we're a little beyond the calling out the racism phase. ZX86 Nov 2016 #90

It is mostly white folks who vote against their own interests BECAUSE they are racist bravenak Nov 2016 #113

Yep. Chitown Kev Nov 2016 #121

Really though, and it makes them look stupid as fuck bravenak Nov 2016 #122

I'm hearing a lot of anger but not many solutions. ZX86 Nov 2016 #145

You solve it. bravenak Nov 2016 #146

And if they think Trump is good on Trade or help them get a job they are not only racist but stupid bravenak Nov 2016 #147

Then they need to be educated. ZX86 Nov 2016 #149

Educate them then. Black folks sho is tried of all the extra work expected out of us for free bravenak Nov 2016 #151

While I appreciate the passion. ZX86 Nov 2016 #154

Too bad. We did plenty of work bravenak Nov 2016 #162

For the most part, they BlueMTexpat Nov 2016 #227

I never said that white people should prioritize POC issues Chitown Kev Nov 2016 #152

Trump is a POS. ZX86 Nov 2016 #158

And what bravenak is clearly saying is... Chitown Kev Nov 2016 #170

Environmentalists and college kids aren't the problem. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #181

what's YOUR plan? How about give to the recount effort? wordpix Nov 2016 #218

hey Troll, this is a Dem site and WE haven't conceded wordpix Nov 2016 #213

she did not lose, she's got 2 million more votes than Trump amid allegations of voter wordpix Nov 2016 #217

Voter suppression. The Rethugs specifically targeted minority voters pnwmom Nov 2016 #32

So where were the Democrats, HRC, and Obama's Justice Dept ZX86 Nov 2016 #44

The DOJ did what it could, but lost Shelby County v. Holder in a 5-4 decision. Garrett78 Nov 2016 #48

Were you watching? Lawsuits were being filed, judges were ruling, pnwmom Nov 2016 #49

Yes I've been watching. ZX86 Nov 2016 #91

Hey brave.... sheshe2 Nov 2016 #20

Nice to see you too bravenak Nov 2016 #36

Missed you sheshe2 Nov 2016 #182

I had to buy my star back bravenak Nov 2016 #183

Yes, well... sheshe2 Nov 2016 #189

Oh good! bravenak Nov 2016 #190

Thanks for speaking out, bravenak! And with such logic and eloquence. nt pnwmom Nov 2016 #34

Hey!!! Nice to see you again. bravenak Nov 2016 #37

You, too, bravenak! pnwmom Nov 2016 #39

Nor will I. Nt BainsBane Nov 2016 #47

Good bravenak Nov 2016 #64

Why is it hard to stand up for minorities as well as the working class? Bucky Nov 2016 #53

Because white voters of the working class blame minorities for their problems? bravenak Nov 2016 #63

They are being led by fear. We've been through this before, and I know you have some justified JCanete Nov 2016 #98

My solution is to stop pretending they have a point when they blame others bravenak Nov 2016 #100

That is a likely turn of events. You won't let go of people basically just being bad people and JCanete Nov 2016 #123

You are completely wrong bravenak Nov 2016 #126

I said enough of them, which is a start. That only takes like 5 percent to swing an election. JCanete Nov 2016 #128

That we can have economic justice with actually addressing the racism in the us that prevents bravenak Nov 2016 #130

Not knowing who he is or what his policies are is not rejecting them. Coates, JCanete Nov 2016 #134

This is the issue bravenak Nov 2016 #140

okay, I appreciate the conversation. If you are referring to some subset of the Sanders supporters, JCanete Nov 2016 #148

I am not sure it is the job of minorities who deal with racism to also be tasked with the superhuman bravenak Nov 2016 #150

I understand that actually. It isn't a fair burden for sure. I have never agreed with you more than JCanete Nov 2016 #153

Most black people do not expect things to get better anytime soon bravenak Nov 2016 #161

I understand your point of view, and I can only imagine the frustration. JCanete Nov 2016 #166

I just liked Hillary better. bravenak Nov 2016 #168

It isn't just racism--sexism is just as bad duffyduff Nov 2016 #167

Oh hell yeah. I heard that this year. Hillary was trying to do a mans job. Fuck them. bravenak Nov 2016 #169

I agree. There is NO place for racism and sexism in this day and age. duffyduff Nov 2016 #172

I agree. bravenak Nov 2016 #176

Did the last 50 years like not happen for you? forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #226

No. Point was we never gave them a better narrative. We started protecting corporations, JCanete Nov 2016 #229

I notice there is an attempt by some to dismiss the Popular Vote and to try to make JI7 Nov 2016 #56

Real shit. I'm ready to give up bravenak Nov 2016 #65

You are not the only one to notice that. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #195

we're the big tent. barbtries Nov 2016 #67

My bad, I'll fix it bravenak Nov 2016 #69

thanks bravenak barbtries Nov 2016 #71

No prob bravenak Nov 2016 #73

yes, agreed. nt JCanete Nov 2016 #125

Nobody on the Left plans on abandoning minority voters. DemocraticWing Nov 2016 #68

Amen, bravenak. brer cat Nov 2016 #72

Thank you, I appreciate that bravenak Nov 2016 #74

Nobody is saying that! It isn't an "either/or" question. We will do BOTH. RBInMaine Nov 2016 #75

Bullshit bravenak Nov 2016 #105

Don't worry. Democrats try to help ALL people. apcalc Nov 2016 #76

I won't vote for them either mdbl Nov 2016 #77

⬆⬆⬆This⬆⬆⬆ Stellar Nov 2016 #78

Exactly. We are on the right side of history. The way to win is not to step over to the wrong Squinch Nov 2016 #96

Agreed treestar Nov 2016 #103

I'm sick of it too and I wont help dems help republicans bravenak Nov 2016 #142

Reagan rust-busters in rural America are code for ucrdem Nov 2016 #79

absolutely agree! Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #80

It's actually bigoted to assume that all white voters in the rust belt are racists NoGoodNamesLeft Nov 2016 #81

Your view is lost in the winds of recrimination and static Party conservatism... Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #112

no trump is the one who campaigned trashing other groups and they voted for that JI7 Nov 2016 #160

Many did. Many were just tired of Hillary. Many were sick of both parties... Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #221

it means they don't care for rights of other people JI7 Nov 2016 #222

Thank you for this... TCJ70 Nov 2016 #193

You're stuffing words in the OP's mouth she didn't say. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #197

I'll be direct: Racist whites will be communicated with if the Party is to achieve viability. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #223

I assumed that folks voting for a racist asshole are also racist assholes. bravenak Nov 2016 #115

Not all white voters in the rust belt voted for Trump. gollygee Nov 2016 #127

What do you call a voter that embraces a candidate .... etherealtruth Nov 2016 #129

it's bigoted to think some who votes for an openly bigot whose main campaign theme JI7 Nov 2016 #159

She specifically wrote about "getting" back voters we lost to the racist shit bag - not all white bettyellen Nov 2016 #164

"false context": you nailed it emulatorloo Nov 2016 #198

When you notice this, you can't stop seeing it everywhere .... bettyellen Nov 2016 #201

1 Dems to Win Nov 2016 #177

Please reread reply # 46 which spells out how much the Democratic Party has recently lost. democrank Nov 2016 #84

My friend, I fear Uponthegears Nov 2016 #85

I pretty much agree with you bravenak Nov 2016 #110

Could. Not. Agree. With. You. More!!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #86

Great post Gothmog Nov 2016 #88

Well Bravenek ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #89

That bus ran over damn near ever democrat this year. It was shameful as hell bravenak Nov 2016 #101

Enough is enough pandering to white GOP men duffyduff Nov 2016 #92

Thank you bravenak Nov 2016 #106

I agree treestar Nov 2016 #99

I've said it before, and I'll say it again DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #114

I agree with you bravenak Nov 2016 #116

As sister to a Muslim woman DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #117

Yes they will bravenak Nov 2016 #119

We can still build on it, brave DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #136

I still see this as the last gasp of the old guard bravenak Nov 2016 #143

EXACTLY DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #171

This white lady agrees with you mcar Nov 2016 #138

Hey! bravenak Nov 2016 #144

It Worked in 1992 kebob Nov 2016 #156

It wont ever work again bravenak Nov 2016 #163

This white Rust Belt voter agrees with you! gollygee Nov 2016 #157

Seriously. Kinda hurtful to see folks making excuses for that crap and crying about identity politic bravenak Nov 2016 #165

Between you and me emulatorloo Nov 2016 #199

And they never ever run out of stupid stuff to say bravenak Nov 2016 #200

Scrapping free trade deals helps EVERYONE jake335544 Nov 2016 #173

I've been liquid diamond Nov 2016 #174

Nazi sympathizers. lonestarnot Nov 2016 #178

I have been feeling pretty much the same as you bravenak Nov 2016 #180

if they are a "working class" that wants to work but can't find jobs wordpix Nov 2016 #216

democratic 'consultants' need to be fired. they don't know shit. we have our own DC bubble. pansypoo53219 Nov 2016 #184

Probably. But they wont be. bravenak Nov 2016 #185

I don't see ANYONE proposing BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #192

I do bravenak Nov 2016 #194

Pandering in politics is unfortunate and counter-productive over time. PufPuf23 Nov 2016 #196

Why don't you think the Dems can do both at the same time? napi21 Nov 2016 #202

I dont think we can do both bravenak Nov 2016 #204

I completely agree with you on the racist issue, but not the workers in the rust belt. napi21 Nov 2016 #207

Damn this post is good bravenak Nov 2016 #208

You only need a few of those rust belt people to flip though. Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #205

They few that will flip, already have buyers remorse and are pretending that they never voted Trump bravenak Nov 2016 #206

Well I think we are well and truly fucked as a party til 2044. yodermon Nov 2016 #210

I think so too bravenak Nov 2016 #211

Please stop listining to people who want to Divide us along racial lines (ie the OP) jack_krass Nov 2016 #233

Remember - only a few flipped to the fuhrer. The real fight for the fence sitters is over a small.. Lucky Luciano Nov 2016 #220

No reason to worry about that they will ignore them for the regular reasons TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #209

Truth. nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #214

agreed. n/t. okieinpain Nov 2016 #228

Democrats aren't going to get those voters anyway! get the red out Nov 2016 #230

Do you think that no "white 'Rust Belt' voters" supported Clinton in the election? David__77 Nov 2016 #232

Not what I meant get the red out Nov 2016 #235

What is meant by getting "white 'Rust Belt' voters"? David__77 Nov 2016 #231

You're doing exactly what Republicans want. Oneironaut Nov 2016 #238

Dont care. I refuse to myself pander to people who think deporting millions of muslims is awesome bravenak Nov 2016 #240

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