2016 Postmortem

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17. The silver lining: We are citizens of the greatest country on the planet.

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What a choice we will have in November [View all] Vattel Jun 2016 OP

You do realize that the Secretary of State works directly for the President, don't you. tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author tecelote Jun 2016 #3

She didn't work for the president when she said this. Vattel Jun 2016 #4

Qaddafi was a monster and I don't know how you stop the people who wanted him gone. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #87

Your post is pathetic. Vattel Jun 2016 #90

Really Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #94

Do you know what an ad homimen or a straw man is? Vattel Jun 2016 #106

Yes, Bush et al destabilized the Middle East... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #96

OP just trying to be provocative SCantiGOP Jun 2016 #5

OK - I deleted a similar comment because it was inappropriate for the first post but... tecelote Jun 2016 #7

Hillary does support war but her positives out weigh that yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #11

No "positives" outweigh people getting killed or maimed or... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #15

Russia, Iran, Kurds, other locals Ghost Dog Jun 2016 #42

We have no choice because we created the situation. tecelote Jun 2016 #43

it does appear so swhisper1 Jun 2016 #52

"Hillary does support war but her positives out weigh that.." pangaia Jun 2016 #102

shorter tecelote Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #36

And many people will lose their lives because of it. tecelote Jun 2016 #41

High level of political discourse. Speaks for itself. libdem4life Jun 2016 #56

And our President has said Libya has been his biggest regret. jillan Jun 2016 #19

Indeed. "Mr Obama named the failure to plan for the aftermath of Col Gaddafi's ousting as Libyan pampango Jun 2016 #34

Hillary has always worked for the good of Hillary swhisper1 Jun 2016 #28

Bribes? Link? Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #37

Do you mean you do not know the difference between a salary and a bribe? pangaia Jun 2016 #105

They used to blame Obama for all the worlds ills ... now they blame ... JoePhilly Jun 2016 #75

You mean like... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #95

Peace is no longer part of the American vocabulary. tecelote Jun 2016 #2

5 days MFM008 Jun 2016 #6

Pro war. Yeah! tecelote Jun 2016 #8

Curious why you bother to read and respond to these posts? I mean if you don't like them rhett o rick Jun 2016 #10

I used to be young Night Watchman Jun 2016 #9

I'll bite. mahina Jun 2016 #33

The "o" on this PC runs Night Watchman Jun 2016 #71

What does that mean? mahina Jun 2016 #74

"The lesser of two evils." n/t bvf Jun 2016 #81

Roger. mahina Jun 2016 #93

Choice??? Old Codger Jun 2016 #12

The illusion of. VulgarPoet Jun 2016 #85

We have a choice between getting Merrick Garland confirmed or not. (eom) StevieM Jun 2016 #13

he is a republican leaning choice, not a good one swhisper1 Jun 2016 #29

that's just asinine Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #38

You seem to be struggling with this decision nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #14

bernie is no peace-nik, he's fine with killing all kinds of people with drones including "family msongs Jun 2016 #16

oh please, that "Bernie is a hawk too" stuff is so lame Vattel Jun 2016 #22

And so false, it's almost laughable. Duval Jun 2016 #101

The silver lining: We are citizens of the greatest country on the planet. oasis Jun 2016 #17

sorry, we are no longer the greatest except size of Military swhisper1 Jun 2016 #30

5 days Tarc Jun 2016 #18

I can't wait Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #39

Gallup Poll jamese777 Jun 2016 #20

not really, if laura bush got it 3 times, thats a very low bar swhisper1 Jun 2016 #31

Laura Bush is not her husband Florencenj2point0 Jun 2016 #40

she did kill someone and got off scott free, and did nothing when in the WH swhisper1 Jun 2016 #50

Link please? earthshine Jun 2016 #70

But Hillary is just *SO* unpopular. baldguy Jun 2016 #35

scandals do make a name well known swhisper1 Jun 2016 #54

Given that Clinton is **Most Admired**, people understand that those "scandals" are bullshit. baldguy Jun 2016 #64

ignore swhisper1 Jun 2016 #65

You ignore the truth. baldguy Jun 2016 #67

First of all let's not pretend Qaddafi was a Saint...he was a murderer and a despot. Demsrule86 Jun 2016 #21

see post 4 Vattel Jun 2016 #24

Nice strawman re: claims of Qaddafi sainthood Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #26

yes she is swhisper1 Jun 2016 #32

The dishonesty of many DU supporters of Clinton Vattel Jun 2016 #45

Indeed, she is. Duval Jun 2016 #104

They already kill the family members of suspected terrorists Cheese Sandwich Jun 2016 #23

The US does not target family members of terrorists. Trump wants to target them. Vattel Jun 2016 #25

except Sadam's sons swhisper1 Jun 2016 #51

They were part of the regime and so seen as appropriate targets in their own right. Vattel Jun 2016 #59

not buying it, They did absolutely nothing to be attacked. Iraq was innocent of 9-11 swhisper1 Jun 2016 #61

I agree that the invasion of Iraq was immoral. Vattel Jun 2016 #62

I agree with that, yet our pentagon has no qualms that our kids fight for oil, sacrificed in the swhisper1 Jun 2016 #63

And more loyalsister Jun 2016 #57

this is true, guilty via bloodline swhisper1 Jun 2016 #66

But they hate us for our freedom loyalsister Jun 2016 #68

The choices are: either a master liar and manipulator, who is also a media master and knows how to One Black Sheep Jun 2016 #27

The choice is... DCBob Jun 2016 #44

1) A dedicated hawk who has few principles she isn't willing to sacrifice for political gain. Vattel Jun 2016 #46

yeah that welfare reform worked out so well. And she really stood up to Bush. Armstead Jun 2016 #48

"Smart power" is one of those idiot buzzphrases. What government doesn't claim that? Armstead Jun 2016 #47

How will you ever decide? NurseJackie Jun 2016 #49

We have to assume Clinton would be better. HassleCat Jun 2016 #53

Why do we have to do that? nt LWolf Jun 2016 #77

Have to go with the odds, that's all. HassleCat Jun 2016 #78

I'm thrilled with the Dem choice in Nov MaggieD Jun 2016 #55

Then neither of us is shedding tears for Qaddafi. Vattel Jun 2016 #60

I don't agree that this administration "failed" in Libya MaggieD Jun 2016 #69

Maybe you are not aware of how bad things are in Libya. Vattel Jun 2016 #72

I'm fully aware MaggieD Jun 2016 #73

Surreal. so. they deserved it? had it coming? jack_krass Jun 2016 #99

"stood by our principles of freedom and self determination" jack_krass Jun 2016 #100

I voted for Bernie. SamKnause Jun 2016 #58

Not much of a choice. n/t LWolf Jun 2016 #76

Yes!!! A strong, kickass, smart, prepared, well informed, reasoned president and the first WOMAN!!! seabeyond Jun 2016 #79

Which of those six adjectives bvf Jun 2016 #82

Pettiness. seabeyond Jun 2016 #83

Bzzt! Sorry, that's not in the list. bvf Jun 2016 #84

Bzzt! No seabeyond Jun 2016 #88

That was to be expected bvf Jun 2016 #91

This is what the party gets for not backing Vermin Supreme. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2016 #80

November I think we'll need a clothespin to vote. We deserve better. B Calm Jun 2016 #86

I learned long ago bvf Jun 2016 #92

Regime change in Libya was necessary Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #89

That's what they said about Iraq, too... ljm2002 Jun 2016 #97

All Hillary has to do in the debates is to list a couple of Qaddafi's worst atrocities, Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #98

Vote Apophis 2016! Chan790 Jun 2016 #103