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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Why Bernie can't drop out? Because he is being deceived. Repeatedly. [View all]samson212
(83 posts)89. Super condescending for no reason
You talk in the language of ideas but have no way to implement them
Only if you ignore the ways to implement them. Seriously, this isn't a insane-o campaign, as much as you'd like it to be. There are real, well reasoned, policy positions which, by and large, have detailed plans for their execution. Not to mention that they are common ideas throughout the modern world.
we do have a good chance to get the Senate if you Bernie folk would just stop.
How does that work? You think that Bernie voters will not go to the ballot box because their candidate didn't get the nomination? I think you've got that backwards. A huge number of people who wouldn't have voted at all will be going to the polling places in November, because they're suddenly interested in a political system they believed had abandoned them. I think the fact that Bernie ran at all has probably significantly changed the makeup of both the Senate and House, in the Democratic party's favor.
I saw occupy fizzle out and was deeply saddened.
Do you mean you saw Occupy be beaten into submission by the police and MSM? What do you think happened to all the people who participated in / were inspired by Occupy? I think a lot of them are now Bernie supporters. I think many of them are more involved in politics now than they were before. I think some of them are running for office, or joining / have joined local party organizations. I think that this revolution has nowhere to go but up, as we'll probably see in Philadelphia and going forward for the next decade at least. Young people are finally getting involved, and that's a recipie for real change. Ignore it at your own peril.
You listened to Bernie and thought he could do those things right away.
No, we listened to Bernie when he said that real change starts at the bottom. You seem to think that there is no hope for positive change in Washington. I (and Bernie and Bernie supporters) think that the only hope is to actively hold our government accountable to our interests. Do you think that's pie in the sky? Do you have examples of large-scale changes that have happened in America which didn't stem from such direct action?
You all have lost touch with reality. ... If anyone lied to you, it was Bernie. ... insisting on 'concessions' that are meaningless if you live in the real world.
I don't even have words. Maybe we should have a rational conversation about policy points and the future of our democracy, instead of callously writing off nearly half of the Democratic party and a significant chunk of Independent voters.
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Why Bernie can't drop out? Because he is being deceived. Repeatedly. [View all]
catnhatnh
Jun 2016
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He shouldn't listen to Obama at all. He has a promise to keep. That promise is to take it to
atomingai
Jun 2016
#2
Bernie asked for the meeting. If Bernie thinks he's going there to dictate terms he should rethink.
LuvLoogie
Jun 2016
#11
Um....He's not going there to dictate anything. He's just stating his case and keeping his word.
atomingai
Jun 2016
#43
Sanders does not do things for himself. That crappy talk has gotten stale. Sanders is a grown man.
atomingai
Jun 2016
#53
What a load. Hillary has run two slimy presidential campaigns now. She race-baited in 2008
cui bono
Jun 2016
#62
He's going to the convention to state his case and keeping his word to the people.
atomingai
Jun 2016
#44
His case for what ...what you don't want to admit he wants to steal the primary from actual voters?
Demsrule86
Jun 2016
#46
Sanders has already made it clear that he will go the convention and make his case. You Hillary...
atomingai
Jun 2016
#60
Funny that you say that because from where I sit, Berie's giant ego is the issue here.
Demsrule86
Jun 2016
#31
many of those ballots will be republican. the rest split between hillary and bernie in some
msongs
Jun 2016
#9
"Based on other mailed in ballots, her lead may widen." I think that judging by how large her lead
Number23
Jun 2016
#73
Bernie is victorious. He won a long time ago. You just don't understand what this is about.
cui bono
Jun 2016
#66
If Bernie hadn't been allergic to telling his supporters to register as Democrats from the start
TeamPooka
Jun 2016
#18
My party right or wrong? He concentrated on the issues that should matter to people ...
slipslidingaway
Jun 2016
#20
He missed a chance to win and take over. You missed the point. You were not pushed away
TeamPooka
Jun 2016
#21
WTF are you talking about, you are now trying to supposedly blame the demise of the progressives
slipslidingaway
Jun 2016
#22
Bernie isn't and has never been the be all and end all of the progressive movement
baldguy
Jun 2016
#23
I never said the progressive movement was dead. It's alive in this party with or without Bernie and
TeamPooka
Jun 2016
#47
The progressive movement is not alive in this party. It's alive IN SPITE of it.
cui bono
Jun 2016
#67
Get your holier than thou attitudes out of your sytems now. You won't be whining here much longer
TeamPooka
Jun 2016
#69
I'm not whining and I don't have a holier than thou attitude. I'm simply stating a fact.
cui bono
Jun 2016
#81
An opinion that is supported by facts. It's documented. You can look up everything I said.
cui bono
Jun 2016
#83
Because even he didn't think the Democratic leadership would condone cheating and election fraud.
cui bono
Jun 2016
#63
Big difference between 2008 and now, there are many younger voters who have signed up
slipslidingaway
Jun 2016
#19
If Sanders gets nothing, his supporters will sit on their hands, or worse. Its a problem for Hillary
reformist2
Jun 2016
#64
No magic wand required, just inspirational leadership. Like Obama's in 2008, his new followers
TeamPooka
Jun 2016
#48
um , a shitload of young people registered in 2008. Obama brought them out too
TeamPooka
Jun 2016
#70
That is a good analysis. They can't be trusted to follow through with anything that they say.
w4rma
Jun 2016
#25
You may do whatever you like, but in a week, this will no longer be the website to do it in
Tarc
Jun 2016
#50
From some of your other posts, it doesn't seem like you are over the primaries yet
democrattotheend
Jun 2016
#59
Maybe it's time for him to admit that no one wanted him in the first place.
eastwestdem
Jun 2016
#56