Why Bernie can't drop out? Because he is being deceived. Repeatedly.

[catnhatnh]

I won't list a litany of cases from the missing Colorado delegate to the "My fingers were crossed" promised California debate to this weeks surprise Clinton Coronation BEFORE the primaries by a "news outfit". But at midnight, a day after announcing Sanders had been beaten in California we are told that nearly half (three million) votes have not yet been tabulated and may not be for two more weeks!

This is usually the part in a hard fought campaign when an "honest broker" works to reconcile the candidates and their supporters. Well in this case the head of the DNC is out. Sander's cannot trust his opponent-she has a history of reneging on promises. Obama is the only possibility and now if he calls for Sanders to drop out before the convention he to may be viewed as tainted.

So no-I'm not ready to make nice. Clinton and the DNC and the media has earned my distrust. They'll just have to live with that.

[larkrake]

1. totally agree Cat

[atomingai]

2. He shouldn't listen to Obama at all. He has a promise to keep. That promise is to take it to

the convention.

[LuvLoogie]

11. Bernie asked for the meeting. If Bernie thinks he's going there to dictate terms he should rethink.

[atomingai]

43. Um....He's not going there to dictate anything. He's just stating his case and keeping his word.

Allow me to silence you before you say something stupid like a lot of you Hillary supporters are well known of doing in this site.

[annavictorious]

52. Um

The Democrats know how little Sanders's word means after the campaign he ran and the bizarre conspiracy theories he floated. The Politico piece is just a hint of things to come if he continues to try to exploit the party because he likes the limelight.

[atomingai]

53. Sanders does not do things for himself. That crappy talk has gotten stale. Sanders is a grown man.

and if he wants to stay until the final vote, that's his choice. I bet you all will not talk like that when your queen doing what Sanders is doing now. Spare me the bull. Consider yourself silenced. Chao!!!

[cui bono]

62. What a load. Hillary has run two slimy presidential campaigns now. She race-baited in 2008

and lied about the best progressive we have next to Warren and condoned cheating against him.

Bernie is not doing this for the limelight. If you want to comment on him at least take the time to learn about him. You clearly haven't. He jumped into the race because someone had to fight for the people and it was clear there was no candidate who was definitely going to do that. O'Malley very well could have, but there's a bit of history there that left some doubt. Hillary clearly will not as she is completely beholden to Wall Street and has pushed for the TPP and fracking, both of which will decimate our lives.

Bernie would have been happier just going on as a senator, but he has a conscience and he really cares about our democracy and wants to get money out of politics and corporations out of our govt.

The last two Democratic presidents invited corporations into the party and now they have taken control of it leaving the people to fend for themselves save for a tiny bone they throw us from time to time. Obama even offered up SS ffs. Hillary is to the right of Obama so she's not going to change anything. Bernie threw his hat in the ring because he is about giving the people a voice, a say in what happens again.

So you can take your bullshit meme and shove it because it's a fucking lie. Good job on working towards unity.

.

[samson212]

87. What are you talking about?

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that I'm just not familiar with your sources. Care to give some links? What conspiracy theories? How is he exploiting the party? What in all the splendor of creation led you to believe that he "likes the limelight"?

Oh wait, you probably don't believe any of those things, do you? Maybe I can't give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm starting to get cynical over here.

[LuvLoogie]

65. Looks like POTUS has moved on, Obi Wan.

[WiffenPoof]

45. It was my understanding....

...that it was president Obama who requested the meeting.

[Demsrule86]

30. Really

and do what at the convention? Beg the supers to make him the nominee overturning the primary vote? It is not going to happen. He needs to concede and endorse or one vote out he goes and no convention goodies either such as a say in the platform or a speech. Also, send West who is a disgrace and called our president the "N" word packing...Fox Groupie and has no place at the convention.

[atomingai]

44. He's going to the convention to state his case and keeping his word to the people.

Sounds like you're nervous about something. Oh well.. anyway speaking of N words, if West is a disgrace this person is too:

Consider your claim debunked and yourself silenced. chao!!

[Demsrule86]

46. His case for what ...what you don't want to admit he wants to steal the primary from actual voters?

I don't blame you ...kind of shows who he is.

[GulfCoast66]

58. If by the convention he has not conceded

Then he will make his pitch from the floor. He will not be given a speaking role to ask for votes against Clinton.

Which is why after DC, he will endorse her. Now he will certainly take his issues to the convention and give a rip roaring speech espousing them. But he will show up at the convention as a Hillary supporter and his speech will be a ringing endorsement.

[atomingai]

60. Sanders has already made it clear that he will go the convention and make his case. You Hillary...

supporters need to cease the condescending. Hillary won, that's fine, but you all do not have the right of any kind to play God with Sanders or think for him. He made himself clear what he's going to do. You disagree with his path. Cool, but don't post bull that you know won't happened. Consider yourself silenced. Chao!!!.

[GulfCoast66]

61. I agree with you

He will go to the convention and make the case for his issues, many of which will be in the platform. He will do so as a Hillary supporter.

[Dem2]

3. Couldn't disagree more

There's nothing of substance in your claims, just empty complaints.

[QC]

4. Or maybe it's like he's been saying, that he wants to bring pressure

to bear on the party so that they will address some issues of very great concern, the ones that have motivated his voters.

It's sad that people think only greed and egomania might motivate people. Is that really what politics in this country has come down to.

[glowing]

27. Pure projection. Take what's bad about your candidate,

and accuse the other of that very issue.

[Demsrule86]

31. Funny that you say that because from where I sit, Berie's giant ego is the issue here.

[Demsrule86]

37. Address the issues how exactly?

You talk in the language of ideas but have no way to implement them...we have a GOP Congress and unless that changes, nothing will get done except courts because we do have a good chance to get the Senate if you Bernie folk would just stop.Oh you say, we will have a revolution...take to the streets...I doubt it really. I saw occupy fizzle out and was deeply saddened. But even if you did, do you think House Republicans care about what you think? The GOP reps are in gerrymandered districts. You all have lost touch with reality. You listened to Bernie and thought he could do those things right away. If anyone lied to you, it was Bernie. He made promises he could never hope to keep and now is insisting on 'concessions' that are meaningless if you live in the real world. Consider this, Obama used an executive order to stop business from paying people 20,000 salaries and forcing them to work overtime without pay. There was no way to get this though Congress nor is there any way to get a$15.00 minimum through congress...a president will have to be very creative to get anything done because as soon as the election is over...the debt ceiling comes back...and all the other GOP bullshit.There is a gerrymander lawsuit winding its way to the Supremes that I have high hopes for...so we shall see...who doesn't want the things Bernie talked about which by the way 100's of Dems have talked about over the years...remember John Edwards and the two Americas? Remember Howard Dean? So time to climb aboard the 'beat Trump like a drum' train or get out of the way.

[samson212]

89. Super condescending for no reason

You talk in the language of ideas but have no way to implement them

Only if you ignore the ways to implement them. Seriously, this isn't a insane-o campaign, as much as you'd like it to be. There are real, well reasoned, policy positions which, by and large, have detailed plans for their execution. Not to mention that they are common ideas throughout the modern world.

we do have a good chance to get the Senate if you Bernie folk would just stop.

How does that work? You think that Bernie voters will not go to the ballot box because their candidate didn't get the nomination? I think you've got that backwards. A huge number of people who wouldn't have voted at all will be going to the polling places in November, because they're suddenly interested in a political system they believed had abandoned them. I think the fact that Bernie ran at all has probably significantly changed the makeup of both the Senate and House, in the Democratic party's favor.

I saw occupy fizzle out and was deeply saddened.

Do you mean you saw Occupy be beaten into submission by the police and MSM? What do you think happened to all the people who participated in / were inspired by Occupy? I think a lot of them are now Bernie supporters. I think many of them are more involved in politics now than they were before. I think some of them are running for office, or joining / have joined local party organizations. I think that this revolution has nowhere to go but up, as we'll probably see in Philadelphia and going forward for the next decade at least. Young people are finally getting involved, and that's a recipie for real change. Ignore it at your own peril.

You listened to Bernie and thought he could do those things right away.

No, we listened to Bernie when he said that real change starts at the bottom. You seem to think that there is no hope for positive change in Washington. I (and Bernie and Bernie supporters) think that the only hope is to actively hold our government accountable to our interests. Do you think that's pie in the sky? Do you have examples of large-scale changes that have happened in America which didn't stem from such direct action?

You all have lost touch with reality. ... If anyone lied to you, it was Bernie. ... insisting on 'concessions' that are meaningless if you live in the real world.

I don't even have words. Maybe we should have a rational conversation about policy points and the future of our democracy, instead of callously writing off nearly half of the Democratic party and a significant chunk of Independent voters.

[ucrdem]

5. Those are going to be Clinton votes.

That's been known for weeks. They were accepting mail in votes postmarked yesterday which means many are still in route.

Long and short: It's a big state, and mail-in voting is very popular, but her lead is only going to widen.

[catnhatnh]

8. Wanna bet?

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-primary-wednesday-s-big-question-how-many-1465375928-htmlstory.html


"The independent Target Book, a publication that handicaps congressional and legislative races, called it "probable" that as many as 3 million ballots could remain uncounted by time Tuesday night ended. And traditionally, said the analysts, those ballots tend to have come from Democrats, young and Latino voters."

[msongs]

9. many of those ballots will be republican. the rest split between hillary and bernie in some

proportion so being behind by 400K bernie will have to clean up big time. even if he does win CA the outcome is the same

[MFM008]

10. Older people

Usually use mail in.
They have a tendency to vote either for Hillary or for republicans.

[seabeyond]

16. Seriously? You are sticking with that one?

[ucrdem]

17. Update Wed. 4:56 pm says ~500,000 left, 1.4+ million counted:

Los Angeles County Registrar-Recorder and County Clerk Dean Logan estimates that the county has more than 500,000 ballots left to tally from Tuesday's primary election. More than 1.4 million ballots have been tallied in the county so far, he said in a news release.

[Demsrule86]

32. They also said it would not change the outcome.

This is not a ...oh my God...the election results will change thing. I read the articles...do you think those who call races did not consider that? Based on other mailed in ballots, her lead may widen.

[Number23]

73. "Based on other mailed in ballots, her lead may widen." I think that judging by how large her lead

already was when the state was called, that's exactly what's going to happen.

It's been noted repeatedly that older voters and Democrats are the ones who's votes are done by mail in. Those are two of the strongest of Hillary's constituents. Especially the latter group.

[Lord Magus]

6. More accurately, he's been doing the deceiving.

Bernie's the one who's been promising victory that he has to rationally know he could never deliver.

[cui bono]

66. Bernie is victorious. He won a long time ago. You just don't understand what this is about.

If he were president we would ALL win. But he won. He awakened the people and showed them that there is a path and we will not stop. You will see that years from now. And you will look back and see that you were on the wrong side of history.

.

[marions ghost]

79. Well said

Some people just don't have the long view.

"He won a long time ago"--

[RobertEarl]

7. 3,000,000 votes?

Two weeks? That's an awful lot of time for numbers to be jiggled.

If it hadn't been for the weeks-long-planned call by the AP as Clinton winning, the press would be talking about the two weeks and 3 million votes going uncounted.

Ah, the media sure knows how to play it.

[Orrex]

35. I'd be interested to see the documentation...

showing that those 3,000,000 actually voted or attempted to vote.

One wonders how many of those might have gone for Clinton, after all.

[geek tragedy]

14. She won, he lost. He knows this.

He's not stupid enough to try to contest the nomination after losing the vote.

[Ken Burch]

15. If they want him to drop out, they need to stop jerking him around.

Stop treating him as if he and his campaign deserves no respect and that he should never have run.

Stop treating his supporters as if they are a bunch of spoiled children and that everything they want is silly.

None of that is too much to ask at this point.

[Orrex]

36. "If they want him to drop out, they need to stop jerking him around."

[div class"excerpt"]If they want him to drop out, they need to stop jerking him around. Stop treating his supporters as if they are a bunch of spoiled children...If Sanders is staying in the race because they're "jerking him around," then I'm sorry to break it to you, but that's the behavior of a spoiled child.

and that everything they want is silly.

Has anyone suggested everything Sanders' supporters want is silly? Really? Who has suggested this?

[Demsrule86]

38. I have to wonder about some of you

It really does not matter if he drops out in terms of winning and losing...whether he drops out or goes until the bitter end, Hillary still won. It would be nice if Bernie and his supporters cared enough about their 'issues' to help beat Trump...but whatever. So stay or go, Hillary is still the nominee.

[TeamPooka]

18. If Bernie hadn't been allergic to telling his supporters to register as Democrats from the start

instead of relying on the votes of independents this would have ended differently.
But as an professional outsider he was never interested in building a better Democratic Party, just trying to win the nom in spite of it.

[slipslidingaway]

20. My party right or wrong? He concentrated on the issues that should matter to people ...

party labels should not define a person, neither should race, religion or gender.

Yes he might have failed in saying independents needed to be registered Democrats, but more and more people are not identifying with either party.

Do we want their vote and voices or not, the Dems want to push independents away, but come November they would like their vote.

Time and time again here on DU independents have been told to go away, is that something the Dem party should strive for? I would say no, but in a week they will be told to go away, or walk on eggshells.

I think that has been and will continue to be a downfall of our party, just push people away, that will surely attract young, independent voters.




Most people do not want to live in an echo chamber.

[TeamPooka]

21. He missed a chance to win and take over. You missed the point. You were not pushed away

everyone was invited in but because of Bernie's lack of leadership he scapegoated the party that he could be running now instead.
it's like he never cared about winning in the first place.
Or cared about what all his supporters could do after.
The Tea Party took over the GOP in less than 3 years.
Could have been the Berners here.
A generation of involvement and progressive leaders working within the party to improve it but alas it probably isn't to be because Bernie told you not to.

[slipslidingaway]

22. WTF are you talking about, you are now trying to supposedly blame the demise of the progressives

on Bernie?

"A generation of involvement and progressive leaders working within the party to improve it but alas it probably isn't to be because Bernie told you not to."

Where the hell did that come from?


Sorry I am not following the jumbled stream of words you have written.


"He missed a chance to win and take over. You missed the point. You were not pushed away

everyone was invited in but because of Bernie's lack of leadership he scapegoated the party that he could be running now instead.
it's like he never cared about winning in the first place.
Or cared about what all his supporters could do after.
The Tea Party took over the GOP in less than 3 years.
Could have been the Berners here.
A generation of involvement and progressive leaders working within the party to improve it but alas it probably isn't to be because Bernie told you not to."

[baldguy]

23. Bernie isn't and has never been the be all and end all of the progressive movement

A very, very, very large part of which resides in the Democratic Party.

Bernie Sanders lost. Progressive have not.

[TeamPooka]

47. I never said the progressive movement was dead. It's alive in this party with or without Bernie and

his supporters. That's the part they were not willing to acknowledge.

In simpler words for you and your comprehension problem:
Bernie didn't help build the party up in his image, that's why he lost.
And it's a loss for the party to not have his supporters more involved going forward since he didn't encourage that.

With or without them we will move forward though.

[djean111]

55. It is not alive in the Democratic Party.

If you think Hillary and DWS are going to move a millimeter to the left, I have a nice bridge to sell you. The Third Way has taken over.

[cui bono]

67. The progressive movement is not alive in this party. It's alive IN SPITE of it.

[TeamPooka]

69. Get your holier than thou attitudes out of your sytems now. You won't be whining here much longer

because we are going to focus on working together to win in November.
Like I said before people (like you) who could be making the party more progressive are giving up and quitting because an old man burned them out of it.
Thanks for proving everything I was saying in the last few posts.
The Tea Party revolution was smarter than yours because they took over the GOP, not cutting and running after one loss.

[cui bono]

81. I'm not whining and I don't have a holier than thou attitude. I'm simply stating a fact.

Where did I say I'm giving up and quitting? And nice use of the term 'old man'. You were almost sounding reasonable until you threw that in.

It is a fact that the Democratic Party is center now. Bill Clinton sold out to corporate money by embracing the DLC. From that we got NAFTA and welfare 'reform', mass incarceration and the repeal of Glass-Steagall. With Obama we got Wall Street appointed into the WH and SS put on the table and a hard sell on the TPP and more whistle blower prosecutions than all other presidents combined. With Hillary we will get the TPP, fracking and more war. The Dem leadership skewed this primary in favor of a corporate candidate.

What progressive movement is it that you think is alive "in this party with or without Bernie"? About 46% of the people of the party are involved in a progressive movement, but the leadership most definitely is not, nor is the presumptive nominee. They are the reason the progressive candidate did not prevail. They are the ones trying to kill the progressive movement. Rahm Emanuel called us "fucking retards" ffs.

And where do you get the idea that I or anyone else is "cutting and running"? You are making things up because that's the last thing I or anyone else I know is doing. This movement has just started. There are many Berniecrats who are running for local and lower level office. And they will be elected.

And if you are a Hillary supporter then you were not supporting the progressive in this race, you were supporting a corporate centrist. And as Obama defined that, that is a moderate Republican. He called himself that and Hillary is to the right of him.

So when you say "get off your high horse" I think you are projecting. Especially since nothing you said about me and how I think was correct and I have no idea where you got it from because you certainly did not get it from anything I posted.

And do you think anybody really, truly, cares if they are allowed to say what they really think on DU? Do you think we will fret over that? What difference does it make if we are allowed to speak our minds on here or not? All that will happen is it will free up my time and I won't have to have people accuse me of things I never said and of an attitude that I do not have, as you just did.

And btw... just looked at your profile and everything you said your stances are at the end are things Hillary is not fighting for but Bernie is. So why would you pick her to support? Makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

.

[TeamPooka]

82. You are not stating fact you are offering opinion. nt

[cui bono]

83. An opinion that is supported by facts. It's documented. You can look up everything I said.

Thank you for your gracious apology for attributing made up words and actions to me.



.

[MyNameGoesHere]

34. Sanders had a choice to run as an independent and be true

to his principles, or become a candidate of convenience. He chose poorly.

[cui bono]

63. Because even he didn't think the Democratic leadership would condone cheating and election fraud.

Even he didn't realize the Dem Party is so far right now they have adopted Rove's tactics. So far right that they absolutely will not allow the people to have more power than the corporations. So far right that they don't care if their candidate is a liar and is under FBI investigation, they will manipulate the process to their best ability to make sure the establishment candidate wins.

This was a sad, eye-opening primary where we really got to see how little the Democratic Party cares about democracy itself.

.

[Demsrule86]

40. Not true

But I am for closed primaries because Democrats should choose the Democratic nominee. If you want to participate than join the party. Too much chance for mischief with open primaries as in WVA where Trump supporters gave the win to Bernie.

[slipslidingaway]

19. Big difference between 2008 and now, there are many younger voters who have signed up

to vote based on issues and they are not all party loyalists, some will be convinced and some will not.

Sanders cannot wave a magic wand and have them comply, they are much more independent, yet he wants to keep them engaged in the political process. We are moving towards a younger generation who will soon become a dominant force, and they come in all races, religions and genders, but the establishment Dems are too blind and have chosen to ignore their concerns.

Strange that it took a man in his 70's to breathe hope into this younger generation and the future of our party.

Even with all their money, power, and maybe a little too much hubris, they fail to recognize a future unfolding before their eyes.

But a large part of Sanders support comes from people who have watched and listened to what he said and Did 20, 30, 40 years ago, his message has been consistent, that is not something that can be bottled up into a nice little package for voters.

His core beliefs have remained constant and not dependent on the prevailing political winds of the moment.

[Demsrule86]

41. Then forget about Sanders if he won't help, he gets nothing. nt

[reformist2]

64. If Sanders gets nothing, his supporters will sit on their hands, or worse. Its a problem for Hillary

[cui bono]

86. Where did the poster say Sanders won't help???

His entry into the primary was exactly him trying to help. He didn't do it for himself, he did it for us. If he had the ambition to be president for himself he would have tried a lot sooner.

.

[TeamPooka]

48. No magic wand required, just inspirational leadership. Like Obama's in 2008, his new followers

, as new Democrats, can make a huuuuge difference in the party, if they choose to make one.

[TeamPooka]

70. um , a shitload of young people registered in 2008. Obama brought them out too

[Florencenj2point0]

24. It doesn't matter

first of all bullshit...... still it doesn't matter, Clinton won the majority of pledged delegates in NJ MY STATE, forgedaboudit!

[w4rma]

25. That is a good analysis. They can't be trusted to follow through with anything that they say.

And so, how does one negotiate with a liar?

[upaloopa]

26. A life lived in conspiricy theories must be hard to navigate.

[Tortmaster]

28. Anybody not on board to fight Trump at this late hour, ...

... is on board to help Trump.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Good point.

[Demsrule86]

29. Oh please.

Enough with the drama...we don't need to wait around and ask Bernie supporters...do you feel emotionally ready to admit your candidate lost? I for on am sick of the coddling Bernie has received...it make me ill...oh poor Bernie he lost...too bad, there is a winner and there is a loser, that is the reality. Time to turn to the general and beat Trump like a drum in order to save our country from a guy who wants to deport millions of people (suggest you read up on what happened when Eisenhower tried this), thinks it would be fine to 'go after a judge born in this country because his parents were Mexican,wants to jail women for having an abortion, wants to use nukes,wants to abandon our allies, will undoubtedly start a war, wants to cut taxes for millionaires, would stack the courts, bilked 2008 victims out of their money with Trump U, and wants to build a wall... I have neither the time nor the desire to hear about how poor Bernie should have won and was robbed...blah blah. He lost fair and square. The politico piece was a hit job but it showed that Bernie did not take advice from his campaign folks and made some really bad decisions.

[apnu]

39. Isn't Sanders talking directly to President Obama?

Which would be running around DWS and going to the top person.

Also, Bernie has been in Washington for 30 years, he is no stranger to any of this.

[Demsrule86]

42. Last time Sen. Feinstein helped bring peace

about between Obama and Clinton...it is how it is done.

[lanlady]

49. Because he suffers from persecution complex

And by the looks of it, paranoia.

[Tarc]

50. You may do whatever you like, but in a week, this will no longer be the website to do it in

This is the time to get over hurt feelings and primary angst. Most can, some don't.

[brooklynite]

54. I thought this morning we'd see a decline in new screeds...

[democrattotheend]

59. From some of your other posts, it doesn't seem like you are over the primaries yet

Am I right that in a week, this forum will also no longer be a place for bashing Bernie?

It seems like many of the Hillary supporters have as much anger to "get out of their systems" as we do.

[Tarc]

71. That's not what it is at all, I'm afraid

Bernie's holdout continues. So as long as he continues to be a hindrance rather than an asset to electing our candidate (said candidate being Hillary Clinton, if you forgot) to the White House, then he will be criticized. That should happen, at the latest, on the 16th.

[cui bono]

68. No one cares about that.

Except smug, arrogant gloaters.

.

[Tarc]

72. Elections have winners and losers

It is about time for Sanders to accept his 2nd-place finish and get on to the next phase of supporting Democrats running for office.

[cui bono]

80. He is supporting the 99% as we speak.

That's who he needs to be supporting. Especially when other Democrats running for office don't do that much.

.

[leftofcool]

51. Get over it! Or don't. No one cares how you vote.

[eastwestdem]

56. Maybe it's time for him to admit that no one wanted him in the first place.

Political parties have a long history of choosing their candidates in a non-democratic way. The "democracy" happens in the general election.

[Time for change]

57. In my opinion

The worst thing of all is the massive voter suppression. Worse than any of the other deceptions. Worse than Clinton's strong rightward leaning on all issues that have economic consequences to the average American. Worse than anything I've ever seen in a Democratic primary.

[jack_krass]

74. TO THE CONVENTION!!!! F. THE NAYSAYERS!

[kadaholo]

75. Amen.

All roads lead to Philadelphia!

[midnight]

76. Well said….

[chillfactor]

77. 7 more days....

and these hit pieces will no longer be allowed...yeah!

[GoneFishin]

78. On to the convention Bernie!

[jzodda]

84. We don't care

Most Bernie supporters NOT ON THIS SITE will eventually come on over. 83% of HRC supporters moved to Obama in 2008 and that's with a very light RINO like Republican who many Dems even liked at least a little.

Not this time. Trump is all we need, not you.

You don't want to make nice? Then next Thursday you can either find a new site to post your pro trump comments or post about the weather.

[randome]

85. You know, you're implying that Sanders is a gullible fool, right? I don't think that's true, fwiw.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Don't ever underestimate the long-term effects of a good night's sleep.[/center][/font][hr]

[catnhatnh]

88. I don't believe he's gullible.

I think we are seeing an entirely unprecedented level of duplicity-Take the disappearing debate-Clinton felt she needed an unscheduled debate prior to the New Hampshire primary. She seemed to feel that because Sanders name recognition was so high here that she might perform better in the polls if she debated him. After negotiations they agreed to the NH debate and several others including one in California, where Sanders had been an unknown,to be held before their primary.

Hillary reneged at the last minute-reneged on a promise made to Sanders and the public. In a sane world, a candidate who lied and cheated in their campaign and in public would immediately be considered unfit for office-even by their supporters. Here her supporters spoke about how "smart" she was to refuse and how another debate "wasn't needed".

You call him gullible and perhaps this is so-I guess on reflection you know your candidates character better than Sanders or I.