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2016 Postmortem

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WillyT

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Tue Mar 15, 2016, 03:23 PM Mar 2016

WOW !!! - Ladies And Gentlemen... Bill Curry - Salon [View all]

Can Hillary stay in the race? If she loses Ohio and Missouri, Clinton’s case becomes very, very tenuous
Imagine if somone wins the last 10 primaries, leads every general election poll, then gets denied by superdelegates

Bill Curry - Salon
Tuesday, Mar 15, 2016 09:25 AM PDT


Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton (Credit: AP)

Attention all political pundits. Today affords you a shot at redemption: a chance to turn over a new leaf and even do some real reporting. For months you treated the Democratic race as a foregone conclusion. For weeks you said nearly the same of the Republican race. You were wrong not just in your prophecies but in doing what you do. When you tell any candidate you know he can’t win because you’ve “done the math,” you tell every voter her vote doesn’t count. As both parties teeter in their different ways on the edge of tragic choices, you do democracy itself a great disservice.

No one knows how these races will end. Even polls that persist in underestimating Bernie Sanders show Missouri and Illinois near dead heats and Sanders closing fast in Ohio. Should he win the Land of Lincoln and the Show Me State and exceed expectations in Ohio, it’ll be his second stunning upset in eight days. It turns out Hillary’s one stronghold — other than K Street — is the Old Confederacy. The last two of its 11 states also vote today. Ahead are contests in 24 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands and Guam. With the possible exception of Puerto Rico, she doesn’t hold a commanding lead in a single one. Many resemble states Bernie won going away.

Democracy isn’t algebra. Elections aren’t mere algorithms. A poll tells you more about the person who writes its questions than the few hundred who answer them or the millions who don’t. Polls have short shelf lives because people change their minds; gradually about issues, overnight about other people. Pollsters do message, not policy. They know we’re angry but haven’t a clue why. Here’s a hint: One party denies the reality of climate change, the futility of modern warfare and the humanity of millions of our fellow citizens. Neither will admit that our democracy is dying and taking our middle class with it. We need help making this choice, not predictions as to the choice we’re about to make.

While we’re on the subject of life’s mutability, a word about party rules: The first thing to know about them is that like Captain Jack Sparrow’s pirate’s code, they’re “more like what you’d call guidelines than actual rules.” This is perfectly legal and sometimes even fair. All conventions are gaveled open by temporary chairs under temporary rules because no convention can bind the next one any more than one Congress can bind the next.

So no current poll can tell you how many delegates each candidate will have and no current rule can tell you for sure what those delegates can or will do. Delegates elected in primaries or caucuses will surely vote as pledged. If one candidate has pledged delegates comprising more than 50 percent of all delegates, that should end the discussion and the process. If not, all bets are off.


More: http://www.salon.com/2016/03/15/can_hillary_stay_in_the_race_if_she_loses_ohio_and_missouri_clintons_case_becomes_very_very_tenuous/




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I am waiting for returns nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #1
Outstanding commentary. Thank you. eom kristopher Mar 2016 #2
It's about delegates, not wins dcbuckeye Mar 2016 #3
The candidate with the most popular votes and pledged delegates should be and will be the nominee. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2016 #4
The Super delegates will not overturn the popular vote or delgate count Gore1FL Mar 2016 #8
Huh? Small primaries and caucuses? SheilaT Mar 2016 #17
Holy shit! Bill effing Curry! hedda_foil Mar 2016 #5
Let us not forget the superdelegates jeepers Mar 2016 #6
There will be an insurrection if they try... SoapBox Mar 2016 #22
The meme of 'Bernie's not a Democrat' is showing up with regularity here on DU. jalan48 Mar 2016 #7
Only if the superdelegates agree to make the party explode on national TV. n/t Gore1FL Mar 2016 #9
What could anyone do about it? jalan48 Mar 2016 #11
There would be no way to unify the party after a stolen nomination, though. Gore1FL Mar 2016 #12
And we would wind up with a Fascist as President. jalan48 Mar 2016 #13
I fear that Clinton will regard this as her Waterloo LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #24
hence the expression "cool kidz club"--they think that if they saturate a message board MisterP Mar 2016 #15
It's certainly the meme du jour over the past few days. senz Mar 2016 #31
I am on pins and needles! Go BERNIE ... erlewyne Mar 2016 #10
K&R. We do not want 1968 again. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #14
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #16
K/R!!! LovingA2andMI Mar 2016 #18
If Bernie wins the Rust Belt.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #19
Kick warrprayer Mar 2016 #20
Salon and DU has reached new lows. Metric System Mar 2016 #21
reality is hard for some roguevalley Mar 2016 #23
This article does not reflect reality. Metric System Mar 2016 #27
You mean in numbers of people supporting Hillary? Gore1FL Mar 2016 #26
Let's face it, most "predictions" this election season are not meant to assess the outcome, but GoneFishin Mar 2016 #25
Proud to be the 100th rec! Bubzer Mar 2016 #28
K&R! Duval Mar 2016 #29
If HRC loses IL, MO, and OH, her campaign donation stream is in trouble. No one NCjack Mar 2016 #30
Didn't know who Bill Curry was. Interesting.... think Mar 2016 #32
Oh Yeah... He's Seen It From The Inside... WillyT Mar 2016 #33
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