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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: On Huerta [View all]ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)32. I'm Afraid, Or Maybe It May Be A Good Thing But I Predict...
SOMETHING VERY BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN! I'm not a millennial, I'm a white woman over 65 who has been involved in politics as an activist since my 20's, and I HAVE NEVER disliked a candidate more in my life! Many of us here who have been in the trenches for years and years probably have many personal stories to tell. I know I have MANY!
There is some real combustion building that should be evident to everyone. Over the years I've seen people support different candidates through a Primary and then we will come together when a nominee is chosen. I've really tried to find multiple reasons as to why I'm seeing such chaos. Is it the dumbing down of the people of this country, is it that this country has become one that invades other countries at the drop of the hate, is it INFOTAINMENT rather than real news, is it the OVERWHELMING MONEY that is easily ABLE to persuade citizens to do their bidding and abandon morality? I can list more, but I'll just use these for openers.
One thing I don't see much of is any real satisfaction with how this country is being run right now. People are very, very angry and I'm almost positive they DO SEE the divide from those at the top and "we the people" and how Republicans and Democrats seem to have morphed together. I don't feel I can call on many Democrats for help, I only see that BATTLE LINES have been drawn. Here at DU we always talked about how Republicans "got the memo" and went out and did what they were told and THEY STUCK together whether they believed it or not. All that mattered is a way to win at the end of the day!
Unfortunately I NOW see the leaders of The Democratic Party doing the very same thing. They've gotten their memo too, and their marching orders and it seems now all that matters is a way to win in the end!
BUT the mistake they're making is that far too many Democrats became Democrats because we thought our leaders would stand and fight for us. Whether they controlled the Presidency or Congress they made their voices heard by speaking LOUDLY against Republican plans and policies. We once saw them come out regularly to strongly denounce policies that they knew would harm too many citizens. How is it that they so easily compromise and vote with Republicans who have actually formed a solid wall that they can't penetrate? How many times has it been said right here at DU that our Democrats have no spine? I know even Hillary supporters asked this many, many times. What could be the answer? Could it be that Democrats now think like the other side and only whimper some dissent?
Before this Primary started most here had concluded that HILLARY WOULD BE THE NOMINEE! Before even one vote was cast, it was time for Hillary whether many of us wanted her or not. Many other countries DO have a person to pick up the mantle when their leader dies, it's a given and accepted because that's how they govern. Some of those people in power use it wisely, but far too many don't and many times what's best for their people can be easily ignored.
I've seen a pattern emerging for quite a few years with the Democratic Party that has bothered me, but I did feel some of the leaders would come forward and say ENOUGH this is NOT what Democrats stand for! I foolishly thought that we mattered more to them. I no longer feel that way. For the most part our Democratic leaders have abandoned the BIG TENT that once was a symbol for the Party. They've chosen to form a coalition alright, but it's a coalition that wants NOTHING TO CHANGE! One by one the leaders I once held in high esteem have decided that ONLY ONE person will be good enough to lead THE PARTY.
These very same Democrats who have joined together looked nothing like this when I once saw them as leaders. I once saw them standing up for us and welcoming new ideas and I saw them FIGHTING for ALL of us. What I saw emerging has now become full blown and the OLIGARCHY is solidifying.
They do this at the peril of losing what they once built, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! Many will bite the bullet and vote for HER, but my gut tells me too many won't. And then those who DO fall on our swords and vote for someone we don't respect, will leave! This is something I know will happen!
When FEAR is all you have to sell, I won't buy it again!
So I'm back to my original point Something Very Bad Is Going To Happen but right now I don't know to whom it will happen. COMBUSTION will always blow if it can't be contained!
There is some real combustion building that should be evident to everyone. Over the years I've seen people support different candidates through a Primary and then we will come together when a nominee is chosen. I've really tried to find multiple reasons as to why I'm seeing such chaos. Is it the dumbing down of the people of this country, is it that this country has become one that invades other countries at the drop of the hate, is it INFOTAINMENT rather than real news, is it the OVERWHELMING MONEY that is easily ABLE to persuade citizens to do their bidding and abandon morality? I can list more, but I'll just use these for openers.
One thing I don't see much of is any real satisfaction with how this country is being run right now. People are very, very angry and I'm almost positive they DO SEE the divide from those at the top and "we the people" and how Republicans and Democrats seem to have morphed together. I don't feel I can call on many Democrats for help, I only see that BATTLE LINES have been drawn. Here at DU we always talked about how Republicans "got the memo" and went out and did what they were told and THEY STUCK together whether they believed it or not. All that mattered is a way to win at the end of the day!
Unfortunately I NOW see the leaders of The Democratic Party doing the very same thing. They've gotten their memo too, and their marching orders and it seems now all that matters is a way to win in the end!
BUT the mistake they're making is that far too many Democrats became Democrats because we thought our leaders would stand and fight for us. Whether they controlled the Presidency or Congress they made their voices heard by speaking LOUDLY against Republican plans and policies. We once saw them come out regularly to strongly denounce policies that they knew would harm too many citizens. How is it that they so easily compromise and vote with Republicans who have actually formed a solid wall that they can't penetrate? How many times has it been said right here at DU that our Democrats have no spine? I know even Hillary supporters asked this many, many times. What could be the answer? Could it be that Democrats now think like the other side and only whimper some dissent?
Before this Primary started most here had concluded that HILLARY WOULD BE THE NOMINEE! Before even one vote was cast, it was time for Hillary whether many of us wanted her or not. Many other countries DO have a person to pick up the mantle when their leader dies, it's a given and accepted because that's how they govern. Some of those people in power use it wisely, but far too many don't and many times what's best for their people can be easily ignored.
I've seen a pattern emerging for quite a few years with the Democratic Party that has bothered me, but I did feel some of the leaders would come forward and say ENOUGH this is NOT what Democrats stand for! I foolishly thought that we mattered more to them. I no longer feel that way. For the most part our Democratic leaders have abandoned the BIG TENT that once was a symbol for the Party. They've chosen to form a coalition alright, but it's a coalition that wants NOTHING TO CHANGE! One by one the leaders I once held in high esteem have decided that ONLY ONE person will be good enough to lead THE PARTY.
These very same Democrats who have joined together looked nothing like this when I once saw them as leaders. I once saw them standing up for us and welcoming new ideas and I saw them FIGHTING for ALL of us. What I saw emerging has now become full blown and the OLIGARCHY is solidifying.
They do this at the peril of losing what they once built, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! Many will bite the bullet and vote for HER, but my gut tells me too many won't. And then those who DO fall on our swords and vote for someone we don't respect, will leave! This is something I know will happen!
When FEAR is all you have to sell, I won't buy it again!
So I'm back to my original point Something Very Bad Is Going To Happen but right now I don't know to whom it will happen. COMBUSTION will always blow if it can't be contained!
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If Clinton gets the nomination, I suspect that there will be a record number of Democrats who
Zorra
Feb 2016
#18
How do you know that it was a Clinton supporter yelling "English Only"? eom
1StrongBlackMan
Feb 2016
#2
there is a longer clearer video than this woman's that shows the sequence...
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#46
the moderator would have been fine with Huerta with or without another translator....
bettyellen
Feb 2016
#51
If I told you the sky is blue and provided evidence it would not suffice
nadinbrzezinski
Feb 2016
#84
'Bernie supporters are dumb kids who support a racist candidate!'....But hey guys..
Joe the Revelator
Feb 2016
#34
I can only assume that these folks think it's only the primary that matters.
Joe the Revelator
Feb 2016
#41
This I don't understand at all. WHY would anyone, running for office or not, willingly
polly7
Feb 2016
#12
Yes. Kind of like voting for a war that kills, maims, and sickens hundreds of thousands..
RufusTFirefly
Feb 2016
#24
This is just like Sanders' staff stealing Clinton's data. Somehow, it's turned around to her fault.
Hoyt
Feb 2016
#26
She has yet to retract her initial claim. An honorable person would've done that.
frylock
Feb 2016
#57