On Huerta

[nadinbrzezinski]

Yes videos have emerged. I will give her the benefit of the doubt. She did hear English Only, or words to that effect, from a Clinton supporter. She s on the other side of the room. It is loud, it is chaotic (I suspect by design)

Here is who I blame...the state party. They knew this was likely going to have a lot of Spanish speakers. Having a neutral translator as the rules state was the right thing to do. By the way, they did not allow the other partisan, a Sansders supporter, to translate either. So that was handled in a non partisan way. And yes, choice of words in a translation can indeed change meaning.

Huerta has walked her tweet back by the way.

But this storm in a tea cup tells me something else. One side is willing to exploit any and all racism to it's advantage. I am not surprised, but if Clinton wins, people will stay home. In my state it does not matter...in swing states it might. And I will blame the racist politics of personal destruction for that. Nope, not Sanders, the Clintons. In fact, the rancor I see here is deep enough, that I expect Clinton to lose the general due to 1990s politics.

Sanders has a better chance, but this is still the Rs to lose. Statistically it is their turn. Yes, Americans tend to elect the other party every 8 years, with a few exceptions.

On the bright side, DC is such a mess that I expect the next president to not be able to do anything with congress...so there you have it. So unless you elect a congress to go with the presidency, I will just laugh at whoever wins. That includes Trump.

Oh and I went and said it in August at RSD that I expected Trump to be the nominee...you know what? I can see him winning the presidency. Part of it is this lovely idiocy. There are smart politics, there are dumb politics...this is really dumb politics in the grander scheme of things.

So all I can say is please proceed. Shoot the party you all love in the foot. I personally need to order some barrels of ink at this point. Should be entertaining.

[PatrickforO]

1. I agree. After this latest batch of divisive race politics,

I do not think I'll be very motivated to vote for Clinton. At all.

"Oh, but she sucks so much LESS than the Republicans" doesn't really hack it when she plays ball like this.

Sorry.

[ChiciB1]

4. +1,000,000 n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Some of this is bluster

But I do have to ask what effect this will have in the end? At this point I think it is significant. That assessment will likely soften. But it is a good question if the effect will be enough to swing an election

[Zorra]

18. If Clinton gets the nomination, I suspect that there will be a record number of Democrats who

did not vote for a presidential candidate, but voted for Dems in all other local, state, and federal races.

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. I feel the same

Last edited Sun Feb 21, 2016, 01:52 PM - Edit history (1)

In my state it does not matter but oh Ohio, it matters.

CA...the Dems could nominate Caligula for all I care, we are going blue. And by the time the state primary comes around...I am voting in local elections...national, who the hell cares? It's decided anyway

[Zorra]

23. Doesn't matter in my state either. There's no chance of Clinton winning here. nt

[840high]

55. Yes. More each day.

[840high]

54. For me that line never

worked. Bad is bad. I'm not at all motivated to vote for her.

[1StrongBlackMan]

2. How do you know that it was a Clinton supporter yelling "English Only"? eom

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. You can go look at the video posted elsewhere on this site

The red t-shirt I am with her is a tell a huge tell.

It was posted as proof of one thing, and provided evidence of another. It was funny.

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. My ... That's impressive. You can ...

tell what someone with their back turned is saying AND can read the front of their shirt!

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/02/sanders-supporters-shout-down-delores

Or, perhaps, you are referring to a different video.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. I can indeed

I can also tell she us Hispanic and an immigrant.

And I hope, not that I expect it, that you will join me in condemning how the state party bungled this.

(Clinton supporters were issued red t-shirts which Nurses United also called as a dirty trick by the way. I am sure you will pretend ignorance on this as well)

[1StrongBlackMan]

37. How would I know that HRC supporters were issued ...

Red shirts?

And, how do you know she is Latina and an immigrant?

And, why would a HRC supporting Latina be yelling, "English Only" and/or be opposed to a fellow HRC supporter translating?

None of what you are writing is adding up.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Photos are all over the Twitter

Her accent is from Mexico City, or the central area of Mexico. She has the same accent, slightly less pronounced than mine.

That is how I can tell

And of course it is not adding up because I dare blame the Nevada Democratic Party for the chaos. And they should be blamed.

Suffice it to say, tea pot, but telling storm. And this will suppress votes...which is the end result

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. Perhaps you can/will post a link? ...

Nice projection and dodge.

I'll ask again : why would a HRC supporting Latina yell, "English Only" and/or oppose another HRC supporter translating?

That'sounds what doesn't make sense.

[nadinbrzezinski]

65. The rules specifically call for a neutral person

Where the video has the words neutral or neutro, both are there.

I lay it on the party for not having a neutral observer.

There is a very long video posted down thread. HRC supporters are wearing red, Sanders supporters are wearing blue.

And these incidents will mean some people with stay home in November out of disgust. Or just vote in lower offices. I blame the parties for this idiocy. I don't care if the republicans suppress the vote, or democrats.

Sorry if I refuse to play your shitty game by the way

[1StrongBlackMan]

68. What shitty game would that be ...

Asking you to explain why a HRC supporting Latina (or any Latina, for that matter) would yell, "English Only" and/or oppose the translating ... is a shitty game?

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. She did not quite scream that

This is what was heard on the Dais by Huerta who assumed it was a Bernie supporter, why she walked it back in the Think Progress interview, and good for her. Huerta has honor.... This is what was getting weapinized, until video came out. This is what is shitty by the way. This is the game you continue to play

Good luck winning the GE election with that by the way...I mean it.

People will stay home and I blame the politics of personal destruction. And n this, I blame the Nevada Democratic Party. You can condemn that chaos, or likely not.

Long view, caucuses nationwide need to go

[bettyellen]

46. there is a longer clearer video than this woman's that shows the sequence...

and makes it clear that both the woman filming and Huerta believe it was decided "english only" because SBS supporters made a loud nasty stink. That does appear to be the case to me.
Apparently they heckled while they were trying to get a second SBS supporting translator and cheered when there was English only. Also yelled for her to get off the stage.
It's embarrassing behavior, and obviously sour grapes as they were facing a big loss.


starting at 53 minutes in.

https://www.ustream.tv/embed/recorded/83452078?html5ui

[nadinbrzezinski]

49. And the moderator also said no to a sanders supporter

The rules require somebody neutral. I do not consider somebody who is for the Sanders campaign, or endorsed Clinton, neutral. The word means something. OTOH this is why the party should have had a translator on hand. Why I blame the fucking party for this.

And they should be called on the chaos...incidentally this was not the only caucus where chaos reigned.

Long view, the caucus system needs to go

[bettyellen]

51. the moderator would have been fine with Huerta with or without another translator....

they just gave into a bunch of nasty lunatics who were thrilled when no translation occurred.
I don't know that there is a state rule for a "neutral" translator, have not seen anyone point to it? Have you?

It would have been great if the state provided one, but in their absence, people were trying to cobble together a solution, and the disruptors wanted none of it. That was ugly- people yelling for her to get off the stage. As are the accusations of bribery that immediately emerged.

Seems like this place had too many volunteer "observers" and not enough people helping with registrations etc. I guess everyone wants to be a Youtube star instead of helping out.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Neutral. Neither was neutral

I blame the party. You proceed making excuses.

And when Clinton likely looses in Nov I will blame the politics of personal destruction and the democratic state parties, such as nevada's for it. Not progressives, the party and the Clintons

Short term she might win the nomination. These scorched earth tactics already have soured quite a few voters. I will repeat, my state who the fuck cares? Ohio on the other hand, might make a difference

[tammywammy]

73. Do you have a link to the state rules for a neutral translator?

Thanks

[nadinbrzezinski]

74. They have been posted elsewhere

And even Huerta said it was the moderators decision

[tammywammy]

75. So you don't have a link?

I haven't seen one, which is why I requested it.

[tammywammy]

83. I don't know what spurned such a response

I have seen others say that the rules require a neutral translator, but hadn't seen a link to where in the rules that's required. I had assumed since you're a reporter and also saying "neutral translator", you would have verified it with the rules and be easily able to provide a link.

[nadinbrzezinski]

84. If I told you the sky is blue and provided evidence it would not suffice

so as they say... I don't waste my time

[Agschmid]

8. Well if she had a red shirt on... She could have been a nurse.

I heard it was REALLY hard to tell them apart...

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Or they were issued to supporters in the morning

Plenty of photos there

[Agschmid]

11. ...

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. Hey it is not my fault there are photos of this all over the twitter

Regardless, once Huerta realized what the issue was, she walked it back.

And the party should have had a neutral translator on site

And this shot will depress the vote in the GE and at this point I blame the politics of personal destruction. So there, I said it

[Agschmid]

14. You see to have missed my point...

No biggie.

In some ways you made it for me.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I hope you enjoy the Trump presidency

I mean it

[Agschmid]

17. What a foolish post.

But hey if that's all you've got, go for it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Trump will be the nominee

And these antics will depress democratic turn out. And I will blame the antics for that.

So yes, I do hope you enjoy 4 years of Trump. That is not stupid. Short term politics of personal destruction might win your favorite candidate the nom...long term they already are doing serious damage.

[Agschmid]

20. Ummm...

You don't know me, don't pretend you do.

You don't know how many hours I've volunteered so far and will volunteer in the GE (for either of our candidates). It's up to all of us to win this election, and not be petulant about it. Winning an election takes work and so far neither of our candidates seems to have really fired up the base as turnout is down in every state.

To pretend I'm part of the problem is ludicrous and offensive.

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. If you support these antics you are

I personally denounce them. And also think the state party of Nevada bungled this...badly.

[Agschmid]

30. And where did I say I support them?

It seems you made an BIG assumption.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. I made the assumption given your posting history

If you don't, well DENOUNCE THEM. Weaponizing race and the politics of personal destruction and how the party behaved is the subject here. And by the party I mean the Nevada Democratic State party and Harry Reid's machine

Oh and to add, that includes posts in this same sub thread. Why would Bernie supporters vote in the general for Clinton when you call them petulant? Either you denounce these tactics or you don't.

[Agschmid]

59. I have been denouncing them.

Again pretending you know my entire posting history is just bull.

I've been saying caucuses are a waste and should be entirely removed from the process.

And if Bernie supporters decide who to vote on based on posts on an anonymous board then that's their issue, not mine.

[nadinbrzezinski]

62. It is not about anonymous posters

It is about politics of personal destruction.

People had it in the 1990s. Good luck winning the election without those voters I blame the politics, not the posters.

And you did call people petulant.

[Joe the Revelator]

34. 'Bernie supporters are dumb kids who support a racist candidate!'....But hey guys..

don't be petulant.

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. It is gobsmacking at times, isn't it?

[Joe the Revelator]

41. I can only assume that these folks think it's only the primary that matters.

It makes no sense to me, winning a pyrrhic primary victory is pointless.

[JRLeft]

48. That's what I said.

[1StrongBlackMan]

52. LOL ...

You seem to have a pretty low opinion of your fellow Sanders supporters because I have not heard anyone else say that.

[Agschmid]

56. Yah except that is no where close to what I said.

So there is that...

[eomer]

63. What she said was "Bernie is English only, Bernie is English only".

And in the other video she said, "It's Dolores Huerta, my goodness".

She was obviously in favor of letting Dolores Huerta translate. Watch the two videos in which she speaks and you will see.

So she was either a Hillary supporter in favor of letting Huerta translate or else she was a Bernie supporter in favor of letting Huerta translate. She was definitely not yelling for "English only" as the claim would have it.

[tk2kewl]

10. exploitation is the brock/clinton thing to do

If one believes clinton has something to offer and wishes to be taken seriously they should at least not participate in this ugly exploitation and even consider condemning it when they see it

[polly7]

12. This I don't understand at all. WHY would anyone, running for office or not, willingly

exploit the very people who need change so badly? To me, it's unconscionable. I see it being done here also and it's nauseating.

"One side is willing to exploit any and all racism to it's advantage."

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. It is the 1990s all over again

We saw some in 2008, but this is how Bill got to power. He believes in utterly crushing the opposition. Short term it makes sense. But long term it destroys lives.

We have a local pol that went to the same school. These days he is persona non grata in political circles because people have personal stories. You don't ignore former presidents, but it is tearing the party apart. It is scorched earth.

[RufusTFirefly]

24. Yes. Kind of like voting for a war that kills, maims, and sickens hundreds of thousands..

... in order to retain your own political viability.

You make a great point, nadinbrzezenski!

[ChiciB1]

36. As I Stated In My Post Below... Something Will Blow! n/t

[Autumn]

25. Have you watched this video nadin ? It's long but very clear

those who got loud were not there to caucus, they were observers. If you are short on time scroll to about the 50 minute mark and watch it from there.

https://www.ustream.tv/embed/recorded/83452078?html5ui

[nadinbrzezinski]

27. Yes

And I will blame the state party for it. This was chaotic and it was not just the only caucus where chaos reigned

[Hoyt]

26. This is just like Sanders' staff stealing Clinton's data. Somehow, it's turned around to her fault.

The Civil Rights icon would not have skewed the translation.

Sanders' supporters don't trust the wrong people.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. State rules require a neutral person

Neither her, or the sanders supporter were neutral.

You might want to re-read the OP. I blame the state party...not her. Do try that somewhere else

[eilen]

29. She and the Clintons are even now.

Huerta got her $100K from the Clinton Foundation in 2010.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990pf_pdf_archive/300/300048438/300048438_201012_990PF.pdf




A sound investment electorally.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. That I care little for

Foundations get money from many places. So she got money from the Clintons foundation, bfd.

But this is on the Nevada state party. This is the real story. And how they weaponize race will go a long way to suppressing the vote in November I personally, because they will blame progressives, will lay this fully on the feet of the politics of personal destruction

[Tom Rinaldo]

31. I agree totally

And if any Sanders supporters over react toward Huerta, that is turned into a a second wave of attacks against Sanders designed to drive away Hispanic support from him, so it becomes a twofer; rather than the Clinton camp trying to quell divisiveness over a legitimate mistake made by one of their own, it gets to be exploited yet again.

[ChiciB1]

32. I'm Afraid, Or Maybe It May Be A Good Thing But I Predict...

SOMETHING VERY BAD IS GOING TO HAPPEN! I'm not a millennial, I'm a white woman over 65 who has been involved in politics as an activist since my 20's, and I HAVE NEVER disliked a candidate more in my life! Many of us here who have been in the trenches for years and years probably have many personal stories to tell. I know I have MANY!

There is some real combustion building that should be evident to everyone. Over the years I've seen people support different candidates through a Primary and then we will come together when a nominee is chosen. I've really tried to find multiple reasons as to why I'm seeing such chaos. Is it the dumbing down of the people of this country, is it that this country has become one that invades other countries at the drop of the hate, is it INFOTAINMENT rather than real news, is it the OVERWHELMING MONEY that is easily ABLE to persuade citizens to do their bidding and abandon morality? I can list more, but I'll just use these for openers.

One thing I don't see much of is any real satisfaction with how this country is being run right now. People are very, very angry and I'm almost positive they DO SEE the divide from those at the top and "we the people" and how Republicans and Democrats seem to have morphed together. I don't feel I can call on many Democrats for help, I only see that BATTLE LINES have been drawn. Here at DU we always talked about how Republicans "got the memo" and went out and did what they were told and THEY STUCK together whether they believed it or not. All that mattered is a way to win at the end of the day!

Unfortunately I NOW see the leaders of The Democratic Party doing the very same thing. They've gotten their memo too, and their marching orders and it seems now all that matters is a way to win in the end!

BUT the mistake they're making is that far too many Democrats became Democrats because we thought our leaders would stand and fight for us. Whether they controlled the Presidency or Congress they made their voices heard by speaking LOUDLY against Republican plans and policies. We once saw them come out regularly to strongly denounce policies that they knew would harm too many citizens. How is it that they so easily compromise and vote with Republicans who have actually formed a solid wall that they can't penetrate? How many times has it been said right here at DU that our Democrats have no spine? I know even Hillary supporters asked this many, many times. What could be the answer? Could it be that Democrats now think like the other side and only whimper some dissent?

Before this Primary started most here had concluded that HILLARY WOULD BE THE NOMINEE! Before even one vote was cast, it was time for Hillary whether many of us wanted her or not. Many other countries DO have a person to pick up the mantle when their leader dies, it's a given and accepted because that's how they govern. Some of those people in power use it wisely, but far too many don't and many times what's best for their people can be easily ignored.

I've seen a pattern emerging for quite a few years with the Democratic Party that has bothered me, but I did feel some of the leaders would come forward and say ENOUGH this is NOT what Democrats stand for! I foolishly thought that we mattered more to them. I no longer feel that way. For the most part our Democratic leaders have abandoned the BIG TENT that once was a symbol for the Party. They've chosen to form a coalition alright, but it's a coalition that wants NOTHING TO CHANGE! One by one the leaders I once held in high esteem have decided that ONLY ONE person will be good enough to lead THE PARTY.

These very same Democrats who have joined together looked nothing like this when I once saw them as leaders. I once saw them standing up for us and welcoming new ideas and I saw them FIGHTING for ALL of us. What I saw emerging has now become full blown and the OLIGARCHY is solidifying.

They do this at the peril of losing what they once built, THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! Many will bite the bullet and vote for HER, but my gut tells me too many won't. And then those who DO fall on our swords and vote for someone we don't respect, will leave! This is something I know will happen!

When FEAR is all you have to sell, I won't buy it again!

So I'm back to my original point Something Very Bad Is Going To Happen but right now I don't know to whom it will happen. COMBUSTION will always blow if it can't be contained!

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. You are not alone

In Mexico we called it El Dedazo. We knew. And the American people know.

There will be hell to pay, but I cannot say when or how

[ChiciB1]

39. I DO NOT Doubt At All That There Is REAL ANGER In This Country...

It's been brewing for many years, with almost ALL Americans no matter which side you choose. And the only definition you can give it is that there WILL be a REVOLUTION!

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. Yup. This anger is what is driving trump supporters

And sanders. It is the outsiders because of it. I cannot say they are in for the same answers, obviously they are not. But the anger is just sub-rosa and will explode sooner or later

[nc4bo]

66. You put that so well and I want to thank you ChiciB1. Thank-you! nt

[ChiciB1]

76. You Are Quite Welcome...

It's something I've wanted to say for a long time, but until recently and how aggressively I've seen "our" Democrats trying to take Bernie down I held back. As time goes by I think the picture will becoming much more clear.

[Marr]

44. I blame HRC supporters who are so eager to smear their opposition...

...that they don't wait even five seconds to ask themselves if incendiary, insulting accusations are actually true before they repeat them. I blame people who are so dishonest and utterly without character that they continue repeating those false accusations after they've been debunked.

[nadinbrzezinski]

45. What you are describing is the politics of personal destruction

And I will blame them as well when she loses in November. She might eke out a victory at the Convention, but how many people will stay home, or simply not vote in the Presidential is a damn good question. The groundwork is being laid for that

[Marr]

47. The party establishment would prefer to lose with HRC than win with Sanders.

If she loses the general election, that's fine with them. Same old kabuki theater, same old actors, same old bullshit lines of scrimmage.

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. There is something to that

It's the other party's turn..so she is the McCain of 2016 for the Dems. I'm not sure she realizes she might be the designated loser...

[ChiciB1]

79. I Must Interject! There IS NOTHING "Same Old" This Time Around...

The Democratic Party has chosen to essentially "knee cap" a person who has caucused with them and THEY have counted on him and his votes. Do they appreciate him in any way? I'm seeing very little of it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

82. They did this in the 1990s, so this is not new

in that sense. It is just that most people had forgotten about it.

Now people are having a sense of deja vu on steroids.

[840high]

58. We saw 2 posters yesterday

who immediately spread the lie with great glee.

[frylock]

57. She has yet to retract her initial claim. An honorable person would've done that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

60. She did walk it back last night

In the interview with Thnk Progress and laid it down at the feet of the moderator. And I will not join you in condemning her...but the party...this was not the only Chaos filled caucus. So there is that

[frylock]

64. That tweet is still up at the top of her feed with nearly 4000 retweets.

No retraction, no clarification. I'm guessing more people saw that tweet than they did her walk-back on Think Progress. Mission Accomplished.

[nadinbrzezinski]

67. She did retract it

Your job, if you will is to retweet tje think progress story.

Anecdotal, but this came up at the market in the morning. Anecdotal, but people who support Sanders blamed the party for this as well...incidentally I heard that a couple will stay home in Nov if she gets the nom. This is purely anecdotal. So take it with the Everest sized grain of salt this requires

[joshcryer]

70. The reaction over this follows the SAME PATTERN.

Some decent human being says something that can be torn apart and then the rabid faux Sanders supporter mob goes to the utter extreme to mock and attack.

The battle has become increasingly harder thanks to this tone deafness over minorities. I got PMs about this, people saying Trump could win if Clinton is the nominee.

The belief Trump could win this thing is utterly shallow and lacks any real world experience. The race baiting, deportation rhetoric cannot get Trump the 40% MINIMUM Latino vote. It's also very fucking telling that the "Trump can win" rhetoric comes almost exclusively from faux Sanders supporters.

[nadinbrzezinski]

71. Try to once again keep up

I am blaming the Nevada Democratic Party, not Huerta. Nice attempt at deflection

That said, there is a nasty pattern and it will cost democrats turnout in November. People are tired of this shit and the 1990s called...they want the politics of personal destruction back.

[joshcryer]

72. Yeah, nice excuse.

In reality this is just a veiled Trump pumping post.

[nadinbrzezinski]

77. Really? How low can you go?

Now that is a nice smear on your part. But expected. I guess since I was busted and was born in the Midwest, not Mexico City, I am now the state chairperson for the Trump campaign.

Though thank you for the perfect example of the politics of personal destruction, DU edition.

And with that welcome to my list of people I have lost respect for. The list is all but nice by the way. I thought better of you, but oh well...politics and tribalism does strange things to people.

Now turn the Puter on, easier to do it from there.

[joshcryer]

80. You are the one saying Clinton loses in November.

Along with all the other faux Sanders supporters who have been pushing that meme recently. I thought you were smarter than that. This post just goes in my "DUers who thinks Trump wins" bookmarks.

I've been defending minorities and the downtrodden here from day one of the attacks just because they supported or were critical of the wrong person. You'll recall you were one of the first people to go with "the politics of personal destruction" when you trashed Marissa Johnson. It's been downhill from there.

[nadinbrzezinski]

81. I am saying this as a poltical observer`

given her negatives right now, and the dirty campaign tricks, (AND POLLING) I expect her to lose.

Live with it or not.

By the way, I don't support any candidate in this race. Who I vote is my damn fucking secret. But i am also a minority and talk with my community members OFTEN. Things are not as clear as you pretend they are.

Nor do I presume to talk for them.

So how low can you go? Politics of personal destruction DU edition. Anyway I have been called worst by HRC supporters who are doing their level best to keep people at home and angry. Yes that is my opinion. Live with it, or don't. I really could give two shits about it.

And welcome to the list of people I have completely lost respect for. Some are pretty racist people too. The company you keep, at least on my computer.

[joshcryer]

85. I really don't care what you think of me.

But I think it's sad, you, of all people here, should know what unwarranted attacks are like, and here you are. Boxing me in with racists no less. While pretending to be above destruction politics!

You can't make this shit up. DU had entered crazy land.

[nadinbrzezinski]

87. You right, you first accuse me of being pro trump

and then cry when I put you in that list. You can't make that shit up.. oh wait, you can.

Remember, all this started because I want to hold the PARTY accountable for screwing the pooch, imo... but hey, apparently I am still attacking Huerta and in bed with Trump. You cannot make that shit up. Except you can.

[joshcryer]

89. I didn't call you pro Trump.

It's more you're anti Clinton to the point where you say crap like Trump wins in Nov. That has no basis in reality. Good thing this'll be tested real soon, but I think at least 60-70% of DU will have lost all credibility, and it'll be interesting to see how they recover from that.

[Vattel]

86. good post thx

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. You welcome