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greiner3

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62. "I don't think anything we saw in Vietnam had anything to do with Russia."
Mon Mar 17, 2014, 09:10 AM
Mar 2014

From Wiki;

" Machine guns, mortars and interchangeable ammo. Also of key importance to communist units was the interchangeability of the 7.62mm ammunition between the AK-47 and other types of weapons. The 7.62mm round not only chambered in the SKS carbine but also could be used in the Soviet RPD light machine gun, another standard infantry weapon of the VC/NVA, capable of 650 rounds per minute. Heavier machine guns were sometimes used but often in set piece assaults, or in fixed mode such as anti-aircraft weapons, due to their weight. Communist units also employed mortars frequently, with the Soviet 82mm and its Chinese variants being the most common. French 60mm mortars also saw some use.

Rockets and RPGs. The VC/NVA also made extensive use of the excellent Soviet designed anti-tank grenade launcher, the RPG. Originally designed to fight against armor, it was adapted for anti-personnel use to good effect. They also made use of the Soviet/Chinese 122mm rocket which was used effectively against populated areas and large installations such as airfields. While inaccurate compared to more sophisticated weapons, the 122mm rocket made an effective terror weapon when deployed against civilian targets. Other rocket types included tube-launched Chinese 107mm and Soviet 140mm variants.

Anti-aircraft missiles and batteries. The VC/NVA relied heavily on heavy machine guns and standard Soviet designed anti-aircraft batteries like the ZPU-series for air defense functions. In the latter year of the conflict, field units of the VC/NVA deployed hand-held Soviet designed anti-aircraft missiles that presented a significant challenge to US air dominance, particularly helicopters. For strategic aerial defense, the North deployed one of the densest and most sophisticated air-defense systems in the world based on Soviet surface-to-air missile missiles and radar batteries.

Tanks and artillery. Fighting a mobile guerrilla war much of the time, the VC/NVA could not deploy large quantities of heavy artillery or tanks. Exceptions were the set piece siege battles such as at Khe Sanh or heavy artillery duels against US batteries across the DMZ. It was only after the shift to conventional warfare in the 1972 Easter Offensive, and the final conventional campaign in 1975 (when US airpower had vacated the field) that tanks and heavy batteries were openly used in significant numbers. When using heavy artillery, the VC/NVA relied on high quality Soviet-supplied heavy 122mm and 130mm guns that outranged American and ARVN opposition.
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And the list goes on and on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong_and_Vietnam_People%27s_Army_logistics_and_equipment

We supplied troops and a lot of weapons and the Russians and Chinese supplied weapons, sometimes much better than the Americans, their rifles vs our infamous M-16s, and 'advisors', observers and training.

I can't remember that movie and subsequent sequels of the 80s showing Russian 'advisors' still in Vietnam doing 'bad things' to American POWs and the lone American goes over there and kills Brazillions of Vietnamese troops and saves the POWs; anyone?

Maybe we can get Russian state TV and Foxnews to box it out for victory. Rex Mar 2014 #1
I was just thinking that: O'Reilly and this guy in Thunderdome. But it would be more like Squinch Mar 2014 #32
I'm 70 years old. The only thing I see possibly developing here is a mutual agreement between enough Mar 2014 #2
+1 orwell Mar 2014 #4
I'll be 60 in a few months' time. What's new this time around... Ghost Dog Mar 2014 #10
I'll be 66 this year. I remember the 'nuclear attack drills in elementary school' olddad56 Mar 2014 #14
I'll be 61 this year - I don't think I can bend myself into the "duck and cover" position anymore dflprincess Mar 2014 #19
Same here. :) nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #24
No need to bother. NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #53
Im 58 and can get down there but not back up rickyhall Mar 2014 #69
Nowadays in school they do that about "armed intruders." Still futile. Squinch Mar 2014 #33
And the citizens of both nations, and the third world, get to suffer for it. /nt Ash_F Mar 2014 #22
Well I'm 28 and I don't want to have to live through what you guys lived totodeinhere Mar 2014 #35
You're smart. Dem4ever27 Mar 2014 #67
agreement kardonb Mar 2014 #40
The Cold War was largely laughable for both sides. chrisa Mar 2014 #66
Uh... orwell Mar 2014 #3
Merry Christmas from PM Rogozin jakeXT Mar 2014 #5
SBIRS is up and running. joshcryer Mar 2014 #43
I would love to know more about stuff like kinetic weapons jakeXT Mar 2014 #45
I was reading the ABM wiki article earlier. joshcryer Mar 2014 #48
This Kiselyov is an idiot blackspade Mar 2014 #6
The Pentagon is getting so drunk tonight BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #7
Perfect! Turbineguy Mar 2014 #8
Newscorp got any shares? RT's AJ, FNN and the GOP work for the Koch JBS crowd. freshwest Mar 2014 #9
I can still remember Khrushchev banging his shoe.......... Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2014 #11
I remember that warrant46 Mar 2014 #13
I don't think anything we saw in Vietnam had anything to do with Russia. olddad56 Mar 2014 #15
Were you there ? warrant46 Mar 2014 #16
Yeah, iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #25
I suspect they were flying some of the NV aircraft as well. 7962 Mar 2014 #41
Hell, who supplied them with MIGs? NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #51
A friend of mine was a POW....... Capt.Rocky300 Mar 2014 #21
In the south we fought the Russian's proxies, but as the story goes HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #23
"I don't think anything we saw in Vietnam had anything to do with Russia." greiner3 Mar 2014 #62
+1 warrant46 Mar 2014 #70
I was told that the context of what Khrushchev was referring to in that speech is USSR lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #31
I'm 75 - remember 840high Mar 2014 #39
That was at the UN, wasn't it? I remember seeing that as a kid. And the Cuban missile crisis. freshwest Mar 2014 #73
Go nuke scares! Sell more survival bunkers and freeze dried food! Call Infowars now for details! freshwest Mar 2014 #12
Ah... actually, Americans cannot afford those luxuries anymore. T. J. Kong Mar 2014 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Mar 2014 #44
Uhm... T. J. Kong Mar 2014 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author freshwest Mar 2014 #50
Absolutely! And I am sooooooo thankful that those right-wing THUGs did not get the helm! T. J. Kong Mar 2014 #52
Someone should give Dmitry Kiselyov yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #17
He didn't say this without clearance at the highest levels. Dem4ever27 Mar 2014 #68
*sigh* Is this the best human history can do? Alhena Mar 2014 #18
What a moron. iamthebandfanman Mar 2014 #20
Agreed! T. J. Kong Mar 2014 #36
Neah neah-neah neah neah booga booga booga. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2014 #26
ROFLMAO. I think you got it. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #72
There goes the planet! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #27
Time for Realism and Common Sense on Ukraine T. J. Kong Mar 2014 #28
At least they didn't ruin the Olympics. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #29
Ash is sufficient. Why the radioactivity? Sheesh. Eleanors38 Mar 2014 #34
Not possible. Lint Head Mar 2014 #37
Yeah, and we're the only country that can glass Russia. krispos42 Mar 2014 #38
All I can think of is Tom Lehrer and his WW3 song. Nanjing to Seoul Mar 2014 #42
Man, I miss the good old days when "Stratcom" was "SAC" OmahaBlueDog Mar 2014 #46
They obviously don't read DU mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #49
First we have to get 316,000,000 desks to hide under. Then we fight. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2014 #54
yah well, the US could, twice over and not even seriously deplete its stockpile. delrem Mar 2014 #55
Like many here... 3catwoman3 Mar 2014 #56
K&R DeSwiss Mar 2014 #57
So, does this mean Kristol/Giuliani/Palin et. al. go on fellating Putin for being so "manly" hatrack Mar 2014 #58
beware of escalation. politicman Mar 2014 #59
And cockroaches will rule the earth. jsr Mar 2014 #60
Well, it's true. tabasco Mar 2014 #61
Ditto, Putin, ditto. Beacool Mar 2014 #63
Yes, yes, we've heard this story before. Arkana Mar 2014 #64
Because Fukushima is turning out so well. Orsino Mar 2014 #65
And so would they too right afterward treestar Mar 2014 #71
It is worse than FOX. There is no secret that all Russian TV is an arm of Putin. snagglepuss Mar 2014 #74
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