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marble falls

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37. Actually they do ...
Sun Aug 4, 2019, 07:32 PM
Aug 2019

70% of guns seized from the drug cartels come from the US. Saturday night specials in Mexico come from Brazil.



We’re sending guns, crime to Mexico
Seized weapons
A cache of seized weapons displayed at a news conference in Phoenix.
(Matt York / Associated Press)
By Sarah Kinosian and Eugenio Weigend
March 2, 2017
4 AM

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kinosian-weigend-guns-mexico-20170302-story.html

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Although Mexico has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, Mexican criminal organizations have no trouble buying firearms, which they use to control territory, extort business owners, and threaten citizens as well as members of the security forces. The consequences are lethal. In 2002, there were more than 2,600 murder investigations involving firearms. By 2016, that number had increased to nearly 13,000.

Most of the weapons used by criminal groups in Mexico originate in the United States. Each year, an average of 253,000 firearms cross the border, the overwhelming majority of which come from the Southwest states of California, Texas and Arizona. From 2009 to 2014, more than 70% of firearms — nearly 74,000 — seized by Mexican authorities and then submitted for tracing by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms came from the United States. Many of these guns were semi-automatic rifles such as the AR-15 and AK-47, cartel favorites that Mexican citizens cannot buy legally.

To stock their arsenals, Mexican criminal organizations exploit lax U.S. gun laws, relying in part on straw purchases.

A “straw purchase” is when a person who is prohibited by federal law from buying firearms contracts a third party to buy them on their behalf. Because there is no limit on firearm transactions in many states, anyone who can pass a background check may buy multiple military-grade firearms in a single visit — which they can then pass along to criminals.

Sometimes firearms traffickers do not even have to lie to purchase a weapon. Although licensed U.S. firearms dealers must conduct background checks and maintain records, among other measures, unlicensed dealers at gun shows, flea markets and other private venues may sell guns without conducting a background check, inspecting a buyer’s identification or documenting the sale in any way.

The business of violence can be highly profitable, and the American gun industry is cashing in, with U.S. sellers and manufacturers arming both sides of Mexico’s conflict. Research from the University of San Diego has shown that half of U.S. gun dealers benefit financially from the U.S.-Mexico illegal gun trade, to the tune of $127.2 million in 2012.

Meanwhile, manufacturers also sell weapons and ammunition to Mexican security forces as they fight well-armed criminal organizations. Between 2015 and 2016, U.S.-based gun manufacturers signed nearly $276 million in commercial firearms deals with Mexico. Other U.S. defense companies signed agreements worth more than $560 million during that period in planes, helicopters and other equipment to outfit Mexico’s military and police.

The U.S. government knows there’s a problem. U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John F. Kelly and Mexican Interior Minister Miguel Angel Osorio Chong reportedly discussed the flow of guns across the border on Feb. 7. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson highlighted the issue as an area of cooperation between the two countries during his visit to Mexico last week. And Trump even signed an executive order in February claiming he would “strengthen enforcement of Federal law” related to illegal gun trafficking.

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Sarah Kinosian is a program officer covering arms trafficking, U.S. defense policy and citizen security at the Washington Office on Latin America. Eugenio Weigend is a senior policy analyst for the guns and crime policy team at the Center for American Progress.



I hope they can do something, but I have my doubts if it will mean anything katmondoo Aug 2019 #1
They should pass a Magnitsky style act and sanction Trump personally for inciting mass murder RockRaven Aug 2019 #2
+1 oasis Aug 2019 #3
They have to include Moscow Mitch RainCaster Aug 2019 #22
K & R SallyHemmings Aug 2019 #36
Uhh, that's the pot calling the kettle black. X_Digger Aug 2019 #4
so the point is moot? Demonaut Aug 2019 #5
No, just hypocritical. I thought that was obvious. n/t X_Digger Aug 2019 #6
Hypocritical my ass SCantiGOP Aug 2019 #17
"Do something" about their own 5x homicide rate? Or are you referring to this action? n/t X_Digger Aug 2019 #24
I can't believe how quickly it went up from 3 times to 5 times our homicide rate. I know our rate... EarnestPutz Aug 2019 #76
Exactly right. Our market for Fentyl, Meth, coke creates the high murder rate. All their guns ... marble falls Aug 2019 #25
Actually they don't. EX500rider Aug 2019 #35
Actually they do ... marble falls Aug 2019 #37
You are missing the point.. EX500rider Aug 2019 #39
So which country is their main source? cstanleytech Aug 2019 #43
The US media don't care. Igel Aug 2019 #46
Here: EX500rider Aug 2019 #56
It's almost like you didn't even read the post you are responding to. AtheistCrusader Aug 2019 #71
Submitting a Wiki article in college would get your paper thrown out by the professor. TheBlackAdder Aug 2019 #60
Boy and how Mike_DuBois Aug 2019 #70
I'll take Wikki and their footnotes over a opinion piece in the LA Times. nt EX500rider Aug 2019 #72
Some data discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2019 #73
Makes sense to me, the Cartels go for full auto, not available over the counter in the US. EX500rider Aug 2019 #74
While there is a lot of murder in Mexico, there's never been a xase of of a Mexican gunman ... marble falls Aug 2019 #7
I suspect that the high murder billh58 Aug 2019 #12
the cartels are the cause of so much immigration to the USA. Lots are fleeing for their lives mucifer Aug 2019 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Jedi Guy Aug 2019 #14
Screw these Donnie Shit for Brains "Talking Points" maxrandb Aug 2019 #20
Thank you Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Jedi Guy Aug 2019 #53
All the State Department stats in the world don't change the fact maxrandb Aug 2019 #65
That's a fair point and one I honestly hadn't considered. Jedi Guy Aug 2019 #69
Mahalo, Max Cha Aug 2019 #63
That's half the srory. How about some statistics on Mexicans killed in this country? And again ... marble falls Aug 2019 #23
I haven't been able to find any stats for Mexican nationals murdered in the US per year. Jedi Guy Aug 2019 #54
When you hear the Mexican leadership saying America is sending rapists and Doodley Aug 2019 #58
Right, they just happen to stumble upon mass graves with 100+, 200+, 300+ bodies. X_Digger Aug 2019 #26
So, Mexicans are just naturally bloodthirsty? Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #52
I know bullshit is incoming when I see, "So.." X_Digger Aug 2019 #55
Took your words at face value Bradshaw3 Aug 2019 #59
But there have been fairly numerous cases of Americans being killed. Igel Aug 2019 #47
It's actually worse then that: EX500rider Aug 2019 #19
Would I be far off on the mark at guessing that most of those are being done in areas that are cstanleytech Aug 2019 #44
I assume mostly cartel killings for sure. nt EX500rider Aug 2019 #57
I'm not thinking that your point is relevant to this discussion. PatrickforO Aug 2019 #21
Goody for you. I was responding to this: marble falls Aug 2019 #27
So was I. no text PatrickforO Aug 2019 #28
Ended up in my mail box. Go figure. marble falls Aug 2019 #29
Its not so much the war on drugs rather its our high demand for them making it lucrative for people cstanleytech Aug 2019 #45
It's not like we installed remote controlls in hundreds of thousands of South Americans. Igel Aug 2019 #48
You know.... paleotn Aug 2019 #32
The murders in Mexico are from drug cartels and mafia Perseus Aug 2019 #38
Dead is dead. I doubt it matters to the dead which circumstance they fall prey to. n/t X_Digger Aug 2019 #40
Mexico does this. Igel Aug 2019 #50
I am a US citizen born and raised there but I have live in Mx for friend of m and j Aug 2019 #62
Those are mostly drug cartel crimes. lunatica Aug 2019 #75
Yeah, umm, not really. X_Digger Aug 2019 #78
Both stories seem to be from 2011. lunatica Aug 2019 #79
If you say so. *pat* X_Digger Aug 2019 #80
I have extensive family and know people in various parts of Mexico lunatica Aug 2019 #81
Somebody need to file an action at the Hague. Stonepounder Aug 2019 #8
Can they do that? BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #10
DING! FirstLight Aug 2019 #41
Tried for what? Sure, groupthink among some has already Hortensis Aug 2019 #66
i was just thinking abut this being an international incident. AllaN01Bear Aug 2019 #9
How U.S. gun deaths compare to other countries billh58 Aug 2019 #11
Canada is a good analog.... paleotn Aug 2019 #34
We lead the developed world. Igel Aug 2019 #49
not so weird - gun ownership rates declined with violent crime rates jimmy the one Aug 2019 #77
Good. MicaelS Aug 2019 #13
any lawsuit should include treatment of ice detainees Tiggeroshii Aug 2019 #15
right? FirstLight Aug 2019 #42
I'll see you in court. Something Rump has heard since he was 14 years old. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #16
the fascists, tRump have been inciting violence, its time they get their asses sued off. nt yaesu Aug 2019 #18
Recommended but I honestly don't think it matters KentuckyWoman Aug 2019 #31
Good! warmfeet Aug 2019 #33
Sounds like a good way to end up with customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #61
I appreciate Mexico Cha Aug 2019 #64
The Situation, Mike Sleepscratch Aug 2019 #67
K&R real Cannabis calm Aug 2019 #68
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