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212. Yup, and notice what he's saying actually helps Democrats,

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 01:26 AM

Sep 2017

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which doesn't seem to be the same priority to some as the image of one Senator. Winning a debate is certainly good, and that's what Gergen said. Saving the ACA is the goal and is certainly good. Diversions -- not so good.

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CNN's Gergen: 'Strategic mistake' for Dems to have Sanders debate healthcare [View all] factfinder_77 Sep 2017 OP

I said this earlier! It's definitely a mistake... he's the wrong person for the job. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #1

Agree. riversedge Sep 2017 #4

Agree . . . peggysue2 Sep 2017 #18

Agree completely. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #144

Agree absolutely! Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #217

AT the same time, what is so disheartening (put aside who is making the argument) Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #10

Well said. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #34

Why? Lordquinton Sep 2017 #39

LOL! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #40

He's the most popular! Is he dreamy too? lunamagica Sep 2017 #49

Interesting responce Lordquinton Sep 2017 #59

Yes, very... people who refuse to consider the reasons why Bernie is so popular... InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #74

Can I just say that I don't care if Sen. Sanders is popular or not...what difference does it make? Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #159

Taylor Swift is popular too, wonder how she feels about the state of our healthcare insurance system George II Sep 2017 #171

Post removed Post removed Sep 2017 #175

huh?? InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #176

Ha! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #64

You're so smart that I bet you can spell "response" correctly. lapucelle Sep 2017 #71

HAHAHAHAHAHA ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #78

Normally, in the course of an actual discussion... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #108

... sheshe2 Sep 2017 #169

Feel the bern! George II Sep 2017 #174

Risponse? George II Sep 2017 #173

... lunamagica Sep 2017 #83

Another haydukelives Sep 2017 #151

Really? How so? Why is it interesting do you? NurseJackie Sep 2017 #154

No, if he goes on and on about single payer, we are screwed...I hope he understands this Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #109

Apparently he's sooooo dreamy! Ninsianna Sep 2017 #136

I can't wait to see him in the cover of Tiger Beat Magazine lunamagica Sep 2017 #143

Ask and you shall receive. (Google search can find anything!) NurseJackie Sep 2017 #153

Oh, snap! lunamagica Sep 2017 #157

No answer? Lordquinton Sep 2017 #60

I'm smarter than you think... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #65

Harvard/Harris poll? sheshe2 Sep 2017 #168

Agree. The Dems should listen to Gergan. Alice11111 Sep 2017 #203

+ a million. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2017 #215

Who or How was it determined that Bernie and Amy would represent the Dems?? Anyone know? riversedge Sep 2017 #2

My guess is this frazzled Sep 2017 #14

So are we looking at a scenario where Sen. Sanders promotes MFA and Graham promotes Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #110

Here's what the Washington Post is reporting: lapucelle Sep 2017 #55

So why are Democrats being blamed for this? Ninsianna Sep 2017 #139

That's a great question. lapucelle Sep 2017 #141

I read somewhere that CNN invited them. n/t pnwmom Sep 2017 #130

Isn't Gergen a Republican? n/m bagelsforbreakfast Sep 2017 #3

He most certainly is melman Sep 2017 #6

Gergen has worked for both Democratic and Republican Presidents. brooklynite Sep 2017 #20

That's nice melman Sep 2017 #75

If he happens to be registered that way its irrelevant. stevenleser Sep 2017 #121

How someone is registered only matters when that person is Bernie. Amirite? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2017 #132

LOL, you never surprise me. I know any response from you will have ad hominems against me. stevenleser Sep 2017 #137

There were no ad-homs in the post you're replying to Lordquinton Sep 2017 #142

There are. This is a discussion about Gergen and perhaps Bernie. Not about me. stevenleser Sep 2017 #146

And there's another one Lordquinton Sep 2017 #147

No, it was not directed at my position, it was directed at me personally. stevenleser Sep 2017 #150

He worked for haydukelives Sep 2017 #152

The breakdown... SHRED Sep 2017 #195

So if I say This is the wrong time for Sanders to bring up Single-Payer... brooklynite Sep 2017 #221

He's a piece of shit SHRED Sep 2017 #191

Oh okay... I trust what he says (not). InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #73

He is a reasonable one though, I value his opinion Motley13 Sep 2017 #13

He's very wise BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author m-lekktor Sep 2017 #27

Hes non-ideological. Attempting to smear him doesnt change the fact that stevenleser Sep 2017 #120

The bill is already apparently dead, but Bernie will give the repukes socialism ammo to use NightWatcher Sep 2017 #5

It isn't over until after October 1st. MontanaMama Sep 2017 #8

++++++++Exactly R B Garr Sep 2017 #35

Exactly. Chemisse Sep 2017 #107

He has an interest in what is best for the American people. Ron Green Sep 2017 #145

You're right EffieBlack Sep 2017 #211

Yes, he'll give ammo and lots of it to the republiscums.... machoneman Sep 2017 #161

Says David Gergen, Republican and The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #7

And McCain is already a no. So the debate is now Single payer v Bupkis. nt Xipe Totec Sep 2017 #9

Nobody's "already a no" until after they vote. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2017 #19

So ping me after the vote. nt Xipe Totec Sep 2017 #21

You think single payer is coming up for a vote anytime soon? bettyellen Sep 2017 #31

Yes. I won't trust this is over till Sept. 30. Anyone could change their mind pnwmom Sep 2017 #140

McCain could change his mind...and there is no point in debating a bill that cannot pass Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #111

And if on Monday Bernie focuses on his single payer bill and comes across too strident or wacky EffieBlack Sep 2017 #213

I know to save us all from gasp ...socialized medicine which is how the GOP will demonize Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #219

I've been fighting for single payer for decades EffieBlack Sep 2017 #225

You miss the point. this is how the GOP will demonize single payer...as socialized medicine. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #226

I may have misundestood you. EffieBlack Sep 2017 #227

I plan to fight for universal coverage whatever the form... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #231

Why did you leave off his service for Bill Clinton? former9thward Sep 2017 #22

He's still a Republican. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #26

That attempt to discredit wont work with Gergen. Sorry. stevenleser Sep 2017 #122

I'm not trying to discredit him; I'm merely pointing out that The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #149

OFFS SHRED Sep 2017 #198

Yup, and notice what he's saying actually helps Democrats, R B Garr Sep 2017 #212

Because... SHRED Sep 2017 #197

Well I doubt either one of us knows exactly what Gergen did for Clinton. former9thward Sep 2017 #222

He also worked in the Clinton admin BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #24

that figures. nt m-lekktor Sep 2017 #29

What does that mean? BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #36

Clinton was a middle-right Democrat wellst0nev0ter Sep 2017 #46

Huh? You're calling Bill Clinton a right-winger??? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #48

Few more question marks needed ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #79

He proved his bona fides wellst0nev0ter Sep 2017 #89

Did you vote for Hillary Clinton in the GE? lunamagica Sep 2017 #61

Crickets...that figures. lapucelle Sep 2017 #67

And you are who to ask? ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #81

It's against the TOS to post here if you didn't vote for Hillary lunamagica Sep 2017 #82

Then let Skinner deal with that ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #84

So I need to "pipe down" but you get to tell me whhat to post? That's rich! lunamagica Sep 2017 #85

Gosh looks like bedtime for you ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #86

Nighty night! lunamagica Sep 2017 #88

Is there any reason why you feel the need to make your posts so disrespectful and dismissive? Squinch Sep 2017 #235

That doesn't make it appropriate to be asking that melman Sep 2017 #92

Why not? The answer is very easy. This is a Democratic website, for people who vote for Democrats lunamagica Sep 2017 #93

No melman Sep 2017 #94

Well I find strange that asking a simple questioon like that is "inapropiate" lunamagica Sep 2017 #95

It's not that interesting at all melman Sep 2017 #96

Its an appropriate question and apparently a problem for that person to answer stevenleser Sep 2017 #124

Everyone here has the right to ask. Thats part of the point of being here stevenleser Sep 2017 #123

Ask it. But it's a cheap question. No one owes an answer. George Eliot Sep 2017 #131

Nope, not a cheap question. Goes to the heart of whether one should be here stevenleser Sep 2017 #181

this is a partisan political board. it's stupid to think that's something JI7 Sep 2017 #206

Not a cheap question at all, especially considering the rather toxic atmosphere that has been Ninsianna Sep 2017 #237

And who are YOU to be telling another poster what they can and cannot ask? Squinch Sep 2017 #234

Symbolic SHRED Sep 2017 #187

Yeah, it's just fine. BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #190

Nixon and Reagan were great! SHRED Sep 2017 #193

If you say so. BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #194

Gergen has worked for Democratic and Republican presidents. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #38

Four Republicans: Nixon, Ford, Reagan and G.H.W. Bush. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2017 #43

Oh well if David Gergen says it that means case closed. Nanjeanne Sep 2017 #11

And he's against Sanders left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #45

"It's a strategic mistake..." lapucelle Sep 2017 #63

Gergen's strategies have helped ruin this country SHRED Sep 2017 #200

K&R Gothmog Sep 2017 #12

I have to agree with Gergen wryter2000 Sep 2017 #15

Gergen is a POS SHRED Sep 2017 #189

I agree he's a POS wryter2000 Sep 2017 #228

He is onboard SHRED Sep 2017 #229

I don't really do Facebook wryter2000 Sep 2017 #233

I agree. GentryDixon Sep 2017 #16

You'll listen to a Republican though? Lordquinton Sep 2017 #41

The man is a truth-teller. I don't agree with his politics, but he knows politics and has no agenda. kerry-is-my-prez Sep 2017 #50

Sad Lordquinton Sep 2017 #62

Not sad at all. Gergen has demonstrated good judgement and sense for 50 years stevenleser Sep 2017 #126

Yep. 100% correct. nt stevenleser Sep 2017 #125

So it is good that Conyers introduces his bill Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #118

At the time he did for this one. Yes. GentryDixon Sep 2017 #119

Spot on. nt LexVegas Sep 2017 #17

Gergen is spot on as he often is. BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #25

Gergen can speak for me more often than Bernie can. Gergen is right about this one. haveahart Sep 2017 #30

Oh really? SHRED Sep 2017 #202

I think Gergen has better instincts than Bernie. BannonsLiver Sep 2017 #210

With all due respect Gergan, I believe this will be our finest hour Quixote1818 Sep 2017 #28

right...because we are always at our best when we do something that will Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #113

Gergen has been around for a LONG time DFW Sep 2017 #32

I agree with Gergen. kstewart33 Sep 2017 #33

Uhh... SHRED Sep 2017 #196

please dear gawd reschedule it! samnsara Sep 2017 #37

It will be awful for our side. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #114

This thread is embarrassing Lordquinton Sep 2017 #42

Are you not able to distinguish between strategy for and opinion of a policy? It is WinkyDink Sep 2017 #102

Oh yeah...I'm sure Gergen is here to "help" SHRED Sep 2017 #204

I agree Lebam in LA Sep 2017 #44

I agree with him. Big, BIG mistake lunamagica Sep 2017 #47

Sanders will bring ratings. That's a good thing for single payor. George Eliot Sep 2017 #135

Do you think taking policy shanny Sep 2017 #51

Independant of Mr Gergen, I also feel the choice of Sanders is a strategic mistake... Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #52

Well Shit ChubbyStar Sep 2017 #87

He is there so Graham can take him down...and CNN gets good ratings in the process. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #115

I do NOT believe it is a mistake to ask the repugs why after 8 years... Tikki Sep 2017 #53

They invited Sen. Sanders so he could go on and on about single payer Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #116

Wtf is Sylvia Burwell doing Monday night? mobeau69 Sep 2017 #54

Well now that this ellie Sep 2017 #56

Pretty much everyone on Morning Joe said the same thing. Ilsa Sep 2017 #57

We're taking advice from Joe Scar shanny Sep 2017 #112

I did not say that. I said there was a consensus of opinion from Ilsa Sep 2017 #166

One of the people who helped write the ACA Nevernose Sep 2017 #58

Spot on, but the ACA will survive. Thankfully. bluepen Sep 2017 #66

Advice from a Nixon speech writer? ZX86 Sep 2017 #68

They are serious SHRED Sep 2017 #199

Did the Democrats ask Sanders to do the debate? NobodyHere Sep 2017 #69

You just know you're being warned, asshole, about what you and your owners can expect Warpy Sep 2017 #70

Why would this debate continue? DeltaLitProf Sep 2017 #72

If the Democrats make this a debate between single-payer and the Republican Graham/Cassidy bill..... Not Ruth Sep 2017 #76

Find out what? How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory...the GOP billl is going nowhere Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #160

It is a debate between the people that wrote the bills Not Ruth Sep 2017 #165

It's a debate for or against Graham-Cassidy. That's the bill up for a vote. Nothing else. George II Sep 2017 #172

Exactly. CNN's title is "The Fight to Save Obamacare" R B Garr Sep 2017 #224

the problem I have with this is the alternative Lithos Sep 2017 #77

You appear to have nothing useful to do, elleng Sep 2017 #80

It will certainly be a test of Sanders' instincts Awsi Dooger Sep 2017 #90

that's assuming Graham and Cassidy aren't going to lie and throw out bs arguments of their own JI7 Sep 2017 #99

Disagree with Gergen. Talk about ideas! Give people a path forward! sharedvalues Sep 2017 #91

Yeah, make a passionate plea for single payer so you scare the crap out of moderate GOP and they Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #162

Ideas. Not just the party of no. sharedvalues Sep 2017 #188

I would rather save the ACA which is what this is about...work on the single payer after the ACA is Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #220

Single payer won't happen now sharedvalues Sep 2017 #232

why does this person's opinion matter? Is he somebody we hold in high regard in progressive circles? JCanete Sep 2017 #97

He is someone who has demonstrated good judgement for over 50 years stevenleser Sep 2017 #127

He is someone who has debated Democrats for fifty years. George Eliot Sep 2017 #133

lol melman Sep 2017 #134

Lol, you are speaking for all of DU as if you know all discussions stevenleser Sep 2017 #179

All one has to do is search his name melman Sep 2017 #180

First hit shows people agreeing with Gergen, you are wrong stevenleser Sep 2017 #182

And here's three threads where he's being trashed melman Sep 2017 #183

there have also been positive threads about him when he went after republicans JI7 Sep 2017 #192

He's been mocked here since the days of the Daily Howler and MWO melman Sep 2017 #201

no he hasn't. it was based on what he said. but he would equally get positive reaction JI7 Sep 2017 #205

Yes he absolutely has melman Sep 2017 #207

no, that's why you had to reach back 5+ years to find things. he has mostly been critical of trump JI7 Sep 2017 #208

It logical...this debate is a bad idea...I am hoping Sen. Sanders does not fall into the obvious Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #163

For starters, the Democrats aren't having Bernie debate anything. Vinca Sep 2017 #98

Who in America... CanSocDem Sep 2017 #100

Dr. Howard Dean? Hillary Clinton? WinkyDink Sep 2017 #103

Their record... CanSocDem Sep 2017 #105

Your meaning being? If sarcasm, Bernie's success is where? If serious, then why ask "WHO ELSE..."? WinkyDink Sep 2017 #117

Not really. You think there is no profit with Medicare? WinkyDink Sep 2017 #104

The goal of the debate is to defeat CassidyGraham ollie10 Sep 2017 #129

I agree. Why add ANYthing even SLIGHTLY controversial and/or new? Then WE have to defend WinkyDink Sep 2017 #101

How weird... Mike Nelson Sep 2017 #106

The issue is Cassidy-Graham.... ollie10 Sep 2017 #128

Seems a disdain Sanders debate for some.Amy K, pro Kestone, there to tame the independent I imagine. George Eliot Sep 2017 #138

So says Gergen..... jalan48 Sep 2017 #148

PLEASE postpone this! samnsara Sep 2017 #155

If anyone can save Graham/Cassidy it's Bernie gulliver Sep 2017 #156

Thank you for saying this. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #164

Mr. Gergen is a H2O Man Sep 2017 #158

Doesn't matter how Bernie does, the Haters Club will trash him Arazi Sep 2017 #167

I don't even see the point of this "debate", it's not going to accomplish anything at this time. George II Sep 2017 #170

+1, The title for it on CNN is "The Fight to save Obamacare" R B Garr Sep 2017 #223

"...Gergen warned Democrats ..." SHRED Sep 2017 #177

David Gergen - like David Brooks, but older and with less self-awareness . . . hatrack Sep 2017 #178

As long as he's... SHRED Sep 2017 #184

"If" SHRED Sep 2017 #185

I admire how much into unity you are! Vive la vida UNITED! right? Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #218

Why would ANYONE here respect this guy? SHRED Sep 2017 #186

If we take a survey of Gergen's opinions... JHB Sep 2017 #209

I am not a rabid fan of Bernie Sanders Skittles Sep 2017 #214

Some things are so obvious/logical/commonsense they are noticed by everyone including non-DEMS. Madam45for2923 Sep 2017 #216

Interesting Man_Bear_Pig Sep 2017 #230

graham is already telling everyone that obamacare is just... samnsara Sep 2017 #236

Wow! So much silence George Eliot Sep 2017 #238