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GaryCnf

(1,399 posts)
39. "Say what you want"
Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:45 PM
Sep 2017

Is exactly what you and the other opponents of this bill have to back up your claim that it hurts our efforts to repair and save the ACA. In other words, it's an opinion, nothing more.

The ACA will, with Trump in the Whitehouse, crash and burn. As far as coverage for people who were left out of the insurance market, read: "the working poor," it was mortally wounded when the Supreme Court upheld it solely under the federal government's taxing authority AND declared the Medicaid payment incentive unconstitutional. It was then crippled when Red State governments refused to expand Medicaid and did not get punished at the polls for it for it. As for the insurance companies, reluctant "partners" at best from the start anyway, it became a "no go" the minute Marco Rubio killed the pools. As written, the ACA was one of the most remarkable bills ever passed and, as passed, would have worked without excluding the very people it was designed to bring into the fold of "the insured." With a brilliant president like Barack Obama patching it through executive order and if we could have turned some Red States turning into Blue States, the ACA's primary goal of expanding coverage for medical expenses to people who lacked it before could have still succeeded even with these wounds. We don't have that. The working poor, already suffering from the double blow of not getting covered by Medicaid (as they were supposed to) and not being eligible for subsidies (which they were not supposed to get under the ACA because they were supposed to be covered by Medicaid as the bill was originally written) are going to be crucified when Trump executive orders replace Obama executive orders.

When that happens, what will we run on? Can you fit the explanation why it's Republicans' fault that people are hurting (which it CLEARLY is) into a 60 second campaign ad?

On the other hand, with Medicare for All as our calling card, our ads become about us filling in the gaps for everyone and (if Republicans DARE to repeal the ACA outright in the face of that being our goal) them wanting to make the gaps even bigger. As it is, they get to point to the failures they have already gotten away with creating (which I described above) and the only thing we have is "we're for more of the same" unless someone comes up with a way to saddle Republicans with the blame they so richly deserve for these failures, but which they so effectively parried at the time they were creating them

THIS is why all three of our putative frontrunners for the 2020 presidential nomination and practically every rising star in our party stand proudly behind this bill. THIS is why after years of being relegated to the back bench by the vast majority of House Democrats, John Conyers now has over 110 co-sponsors for his single-payer plan. THIS is why even the architect of the ACA says single-payer's time has come.

It's not only a just policy, it's also great politics EVEN IF IT DOESN'T BECOME LAW UNTIL WE TAKE BACK OUR GOVERNMENT.

This is also why I question the motives of people who are doing their very best to make sure it never sees the light of day.

Why don't you ignore him and support pelosi and other dems who are JI7 Sep 2017 #1
Are you serious...you think saving the ACA ...the only healthcare millions Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #4
Millions of lives are at stake no progressive should even have to be asked. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #2
It's insulting to ask this question, that I can tell you. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2017 #3
Why do you require from Bernie what you aren't requiring from others like Autumn Sep 2017 #5
Why can't we do both? CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #6
No shit. The premise is absurd. nt Lucky Luciano Sep 2017 #9
I don't understand CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #10
The either/or of the post was ridiculous. We can do both as you suggest. nt Lucky Luciano Sep 2017 #13
Jeeze, just that you even had to state the obvious is freaky. pangaia Sep 2017 #14
It's like we can't both breathe and sleep or something CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #16
Something is awry here, that's for sure. pangaia Sep 2017 #18
it is a hugely stupid talking point. Voltaire2 Sep 2017 #26
EXACTLY !! kacekwl Sep 2017 #28
When you present a plan for replacing the ACA...then you are saying it should be replaced... Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #29
Ok I'll bite. You're flat out wrong. CherokeeFiddle Sep 2017 #34
He is. So are all of the co-sponsors. It was explicitly stated during Medicare for All's rollout Arazi Sep 2017 #7
It's not the only one. pangaia Sep 2017 #15
But they still rolled out their owe replacement for the ACA...can you not see why this is not Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #30
100% disagree. It's exactly what's needed right now Arazi Sep 2017 #35
Do you realize he worked hard to get the ACA passed and even wrote some great addendums mucifer Sep 2017 #8
But still a replacement bull was offered which in my opinion makes it more likely the GOP will Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #31
Just a push poll. pangaia Sep 2017 #11
No. We all have "progressive dreams" but incrementally UTUSN Sep 2017 #12
Many Criticized Obama For Not Pushing For More &.... global1 Sep 2017 #17
False dichotomy Cirque du So-What Sep 2017 #19
I don't believe I have the ability to require Bernie to do anything fescuerescue Sep 2017 #20
No, not at all lunamagica Sep 2017 #21
I reject the absurd push poll. mythology Sep 2017 #22
We get it. Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2017 #23
Kamala Harris jumped on it flamingdem Sep 2017 #24
Or Kamala, Ed, Cory, Kirsten, Elizabeth... (n/t) SMC22307 Sep 2017 #25
No it's insulting to all Democrats GaryCnf Sep 2017 #27
Saying you support single payer eventually is not the samething as putting out a bill to replace the Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #32
Don't put any energy into it right now, then. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #38
"Say what you want" GaryCnf Sep 2017 #39
Disagreeing with policy is not a vendetta. Demsrule86 Sep 2017 #33
Nice push poll, dude. Ms. Toad Sep 2017 #36
I'll Pass G_j Sep 2017 #37
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