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Joe Chi Minh

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35. If this isn't the last word on poverty and wealth distribution (Comment on Ambrose copied fromWiki),
Fri Apr 10, 2015, 09:47 AM
Apr 2015

I don't know what is. And almost as beautiful are those of St Basil, below it:

'Ambrose considered the poor not a distinct group of outsiders, but a part of the united, solidary people. Giving to the poor was not to be considered an act of generosity towards the fringes of society but as a repayment of resources that God had originally bestowed on everyone equally and that the rich had usurped.[30]

St Ambrose

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"Who is the covetous man? One for whom plenty is not enough. Who is the defrauder? One who takes away what belongs to everyone. And are not you covetous, are you not a defrauder, when you keep for private use what you were given for distribution? When some one strips a man of his clothes we call him a thief. And one who might clothe the naked and does not—should not he be given the same name? The bread in your hoard belongs to the hungry; the cloak in your wardrobe belongs to the naked; the shoes you let rot belong to the barefoot; the money in your vaults belongs to the destitute. All you might help and do not—to all these you are doing wrong"

Bishop Basil of Caesarea (330-379 AD)

Perfect equality is not really the issue in practical terms, given that some are more innately worldly and others, more spiritual, due to the Fall. But an ample sufficiency for the poorest in this world's goods is surely not going to hurt those better off. It didn't in the UK during the sixties and seventies.

Some church traditionalists vilify the sixties, and certainly, from a Christian point of view, the pendulum swung too far towards promiscuity and has anything but recoverd, but it was a new Renaissance, there was also a tremendously 'up-beat' zeitgeist, a joy, a cheerfulness. The subsequent degeneration with the plunge into cynicism of most former hippies was inevitable given the wealth and power of the 'deep state' who had just been biding their time. What a shame the Christian churches, for all the massive amount of good they had done and have continued to do in the world, let the young down. Their thirst for spirituality, scorned by the rich Mammon-worshippers to this day, was not assuaged by eastern religions or drugs, and eventually, as the song goes, 'the music stopped.

I know Don MacLean had other ideas when he wrote Bye Bye Miss American Pie, but to me the tapering off, during the seventies, of all those wonderful pop groups with the craziest names, and the pop songs, also often with the craziest words and themes is very, very sad. Reagan and Lady Cardboard put paid to the beautiful nonsense so loved by the young - and even the great songs of the more orthodox singers.

Well said. nt Zorra Apr 2015 #1
Welfare queens and their Cadillacs has long been a right wing lie, now they are claiming they go liberal N proud Apr 2015 #2
I don't think their anger is directed specifically at poor persons getting cruses. Half-Century Man Apr 2015 #26
You had me worried for a half second. Brilliant. Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #42
!!! Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #55
The real Welfare queens in Cadillacs, Califa Apr 2015 #43
Bingo! merrily Apr 2015 #49
By Welfare Office... NancyDL Apr 2015 #67
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A jump to conclusion may be this mother may be trying to provide her children food and we know Thinkingabout Apr 2015 #3
Believe you me, wendylaroux Apr 2015 #4
There's a definite disconnect in certain people's heads. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #5
THERE BUT FOR THE GRACE OF GOD GO I. Attacks on the poor receiving public assistance have increased appalachiablue Apr 2015 #6
Another thing to keep in mind on the "fancy car" angle. jeff47 Apr 2015 #7
Reminds me of this article. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #8
nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes taught_me_patience Apr 2015 #20
You know what's more expensive? A loan on a "cheap" car after jeff47 Apr 2015 #29
It all depends on the individual make and car. maddiemom Apr 2015 #36
Very, very true. I owned a Lexus for 19 years; it took us through thick and thin, never Nay Apr 2015 #65
I once went by a welfare office where a co-workers said they were all in late model cars happyslug Apr 2015 #56
If someone has a nice car and then loses their income IronLionZion Apr 2015 #91
I've been in category 3 Retrograde Apr 2015 #9
As far as I can determine, looking at their website snort Apr 2015 #10
The Facebook lady is a victim of a cruel misinformation campaign being waged by the Enthusiast Apr 2015 #11
Hell yes..... daleanime Apr 2015 #12
Because the world is full of self rightous assholes. blackspade Apr 2015 #13
For fear that one undeserving person might get aid, Republicans are willing to let millions starve. tclambert Apr 2015 #14
charity hibbing Apr 2015 #23
Exactly. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #30
Let me guess: you're NOT a Republican. maddiemom Apr 2015 #37
Double thumbs up to you! Agony Apr 2015 #61
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Some cities discourage panhandling IronLionZion Apr 2015 #90
The shaming is downright mean-spirited. AtomicKitten Apr 2015 #15
And yet those 3 cents Thav Apr 2015 #33
I actually gasped when I read that renate Apr 2015 #41
There is no reason to read donations of children to the class. merrily Apr 2015 #51
That story brings tears to my eyes. What terrible terrible people. What would Jesus say? Ed Suspicious Apr 2015 #44
Didn't Jesus say something about giving in secret... catrose Apr 2015 #89
The other, related one, is profession shaming. Helen Borg Apr 2015 #16
Around here cleaning jobs can pay $21.75/hr (SEIU) inanna Apr 2015 #60
or the do you want fries with that treestar Apr 2015 #71
You mean you don't want approved stores that sell plain clothes and cheap goods? nolabear Apr 2015 #17
The only assumption here seemed to be that the woman picking up the groceries was not poor at all. merrily Apr 2015 #18
But immediately jumping to that conclusion is just as wrong. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #19
Yes, immediately jumping to that conclusion is wrong, but it's not saying a thing about the poor. merrily Apr 2015 #25
It's one of those situations though where it's best to keep one's mouth shut. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #39
Yes. Leaping to conclusions is wrong and so is spreading them around. merrily Apr 2015 #47
Yeah it is gollygee Apr 2015 #46
My Reply 25 said jumping to the conclusion that someone is not poor (not in need) is wrong. merrily Apr 2015 #48
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Agree. ananda Apr 2015 #21
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I can sympathize because I am one... StarzGuy Apr 2015 #22
What did the FB poster say? ErikJ Apr 2015 #24
There is always shaming involved if you're poor Warpy Apr 2015 #27
Well said, Warpy. There by the grace of....etc Paper Roses Apr 2015 #40
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Our newspaper poll of the day KT2000 Apr 2015 #28
If someone is poor, and has a car as good or better than the one they drive, then it's possible that Amimnoch Apr 2015 #31
My (very wealthy) former mother-in-law insisted I go apply for food stamps tanyev Apr 2015 #32
As a complete aside.... Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #34
Ditto- I wish they would tell us how poor people are the problem, not the Koch Bros, etal NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #52
If this isn't the last word on poverty and wealth distribution (Comment on Ambrose copied fromWiki), Joe Chi Minh Apr 2015 #35
I retired from the department of human service about ten years ago and Stellar Apr 2015 #38
here's another one - handicapped dolphinsandtuna Apr 2015 #45
K&R McCamy Taylor Apr 2015 #50
The forces that own the piano, the chairs, and the rights to the song... Orsino Apr 2015 #53
I feel the same way. People are always making excuses for their own miserable lives. Voice for Peace Apr 2015 #54
I've met poor whites that are CONVINCED there is a type of welfare only available to blacks. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #57
K&R. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #58
And, if you give a dollar directly to a person who needs it greymattermom Apr 2015 #59
Myths that really frost me because I have to debunk them again and again Lydia Leftcoast Apr 2015 #62
There has been a deliberate campaign.... cynzke Apr 2015 #63
K & R GoneFishin Apr 2015 #64
From what I see on discussion boards, and, mind you, I know they're not the world... NancyDL Apr 2015 #66
Yep, you see it right here treestar Apr 2015 #70
"We need some ideas on how to bring people together." PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #74
Kicked&Recommended... butterfly77 Apr 2015 #68
Agree. The most pathetic thing about right wingers treestar Apr 2015 #69
kick Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #72
There was a lady who went to my church murielm99 Apr 2015 #73
Without a big down payment, a friend couldn't finance a used car unless lexington filly Apr 2015 #75
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Plenty of people feel jealous that others are getting more than they deserve IronLionZion Apr 2015 #83
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This started with the Reagan administration in the 1980s, specifically to make us resent the poor DesertDiamond Apr 2015 #85
Personally, I Don't Care About People "Abusing the System" On the Road Apr 2015 #86
I care about people abusing the system Gormy Cuss Apr 2015 #88
I saw this also posted on my Facebook page today and it makes a lot more sense to me. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2015 #87
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