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betterdemsonly

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49. Last year I visited colonial Williamsburg in VA
Thu Mar 26, 2015, 10:03 PM
Mar 2015

Apparently before the revolution you could be thrown in the stocks and whipped for not attending the Anglican Church. This is why Jefferson authored the VA Statutes on Religious Freedom.

It reads



" An Act for establishing religious Freedom.

Whereas, Almighty God hath created the mind free;

That all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens, or by civil incapacitations tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and therefore are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, who being Lord, both of body and mind yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do,

That the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavouring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world and through all time;

That to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions, which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical;

That even the forcing him to support this or that teacher of his own religious persuasion is depriving him of the comfortable liberty of giving his contributions to the particular pastor, whose morals he would make his pattern, and whose powers he feels most persuasive to righteousness, and is withdrawing from the Ministry those temporary rewards, which, proceeding from an approbation of their personal conduct are an additional incitement to earnest and unremitting labours for the instruction of mankind;

That our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions any more than our opinions in physics or geometry,

That therefore the proscribing any citizen as unworthy the public confidence, by laying upon him an incapacity of being called to offices of trust and emolument, unless he profess or renounce this or that religious opinion, is depriving him injuriously of those privileges and advantages, to which, in common with his fellow citizens, he has a natural right,

That it tends only to corrupt the principles of that very Religion it is meant to encourage, by bribing with a monopoly of worldly honours and emoluments those who will externally profess and conform to it;

That though indeed, these are criminal who do not withstand such temptation, yet neither are those innocent who lay the bait in their way;

That to suffer the civil magistrate to intrude his powers into the field of opinion and to restrain the profession or propagation of principles on supposition of their ill tendency is a dangerous fallacy which at once destroys all religious liberty because he being of course judge of that tendency will make his opinions the rule of judgment and approve or condemn the sentiments of others only as they shall square with or differ from his own;

That it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order;

And finally, that Truth is great, and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them:

Be it enacted by General Assembly that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of Religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge or affect their civil capacities. And though we well know that this Assembly elected by the people for the ordinary purposes of Legislation only, have no power to restrain the acts of succeeding Assemblies constituted with powers equal to our own, and that therefore to declare this act irrevocable would be of no effect in law; yet we are free to declare, and do declare that the rights hereby asserted, are of the natural rights of mankind, and that if any act shall be hereafter passed to repeal the present or to narrow its operation, such act will be an infringement of natural right. "




I wish this would be taught in history courses in the US but I think history has been polticized by fundy jackles just like Science.

words fail me uppityperson Mar 2015 #1
.... greatauntoftriplets Mar 2015 #2
So if this law were enacted, not only would I have to go to "church", but no_hypocrisy Mar 2015 #3
wasn't an abortion doctor killed in a church with a gun? Sheepshank Mar 2015 #18
Not for me HassleCat Mar 2015 #4
Buckle up, folks. beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #5
She OK with the manpower and budget it would take to create an agency to track and enforce that? tanyev Mar 2015 #6
Would we be required to pack heat in church? (nt) stone space Mar 2015 #7
Words are what I do for a living. hifiguy Mar 2015 #8
A church of their choice, eh? I can see a lot of churches springing up in bars! MADem Mar 2015 #9
Especially wine bars KamaAina Mar 2015 #10
Pray and Drink clubs! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #52
I bet it wouldn't take long before churches had to apply to get on an approved list. tanyev Mar 2015 #11
Yeah ... Maybe a "moral rebirth" ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #12
Works for me! KansDem Mar 2015 #13
Preach it brother! leftofcool Mar 2015 #15
Well that was the Law here in the Bay State, once upon a time. One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #14
Didn't they also burn "witches"? Lifelong Protester Mar 2015 #28
That's a viscious slander! Retrograde Mar 2015 #43
well, mostly foo_bar Mar 2015 #48
Hung for disobeying clergy as well One_Life_To_Give Mar 2015 #57
Last year I visited colonial Williamsburg in VA betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #49
No surprise. She's a Mormon, and her district is heavily Mormon. nt Zorra Mar 2015 #16
A whole lotta crazy goin on in Az Politicalboi Mar 2015 #17
Did People Like This Fall Out Of The Dark Ages? colsohlibgal Mar 2015 #19
Many nuttier Arizona State Reps come from isolated mormon parts betterdemsonly Mar 2015 #47
Great! Will all the workers be guaranteed a day off to go to church? BTW, freshwest Mar 2015 #20
I for one welcome our new kitteh overlords... beam me up scottie Mar 2015 #23
What about Jewish People? vankuria Mar 2015 #21
Arbeit macht frei KamaAina Mar 2015 #22
"(R)equiring every American to attend a church of their choice on Sunday"? NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #24
"probably we should be debating a bill..." panader0 Mar 2015 #26
I know. My disdain is not directed toward Arizona... NaturalHigh Mar 2015 #45
I use to live in Arizona atreides1 Mar 2015 #54
All of those old farts who vote R are retirees from back east. panader0 Mar 2015 #55
I would only go to the Pastafarian church hifiguy Mar 2015 #25
And the lawmakers there will decide which church you will go to. SummerSnow Mar 2015 #27
The real world is starting to look far too much like hifiguy Mar 2015 #34
Hmm, never heard of it. I'm going to look it up. Curl up with a good book time. SummerSnow Mar 2015 #35
It's a movie. hifiguy Mar 2015 #40
1963, Air Force boot camp at Lackland AFB church attendence WAS mandatory. n/t Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #29
what day of the week would they arrest people? rurallib Mar 2015 #30
we can gather at his office flobee1 Mar 2015 #31
He is a she KamaAina Mar 2015 #33
5 years ago she said the Earth is 6,000 years old. Archae Mar 2015 #32
I am an atheist. LisaL Mar 2015 #36
She'll send the atheists like us to Joe Arpaio's boot camp hifiguy Mar 2015 #42
Church of Pokemon! Paulie Mar 2015 #50
Another idiot who has not read the 1st Amendment. muntrv Mar 2015 #37
Probably can't count to 1 KamaAina Mar 2015 #38
But she'd be the first to say that making voting mandatory is "threatening valerief Mar 2015 #39
Making church mandatory LiberalElite Mar 2015 #41
Amazing, isn't it. All they speak of is more and more government intrusion with no government. RKP5637 Mar 2015 #53
There are people who believe "Freedom of Religion" Retrograde Mar 2015 #44
Because, you know, "freedom" means being forced to Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #46
Words fail to describe the lunacy! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #51
Someone apparently hasn't read 1 Timothy 2 jmowreader Mar 2015 #56
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