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5. It clearly says "I think" and "could have been"

Thu Mar 12, 2015, 12:04 PM

Mar 2015

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and provides legitimate back up links.

You do know that police chiefs across the country issued a report that law enforcement's biggest threat to personal safety are these RW groups? Why is it wrong of me to factor that reality in any time there is a cop shooting?

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I'm gonna say it: I think cops could have been shot by RW agitators [View all] blm Mar 2015 OP

Unrec for pure speculation. FSogol Mar 2015 #1

Agree. nt cwydro Mar 2015 #2

It clearly says "I think" and "could have been" blm Mar 2015 #5

"I think" it "could have been" Donald Duck. See legitimate back up links below: FSogol Mar 2015 #14

Can you admit that the top cop-killers today are RW extremists? blm Mar 2015 #17

If you think most cops are killed by RW extremists you're not looking living in reality davidsilver Mar 2015 #432

The criminals aren't TARGETING the LEO's as prey. RW extremists are. blm Mar 2015 #441

Yeah, but it wasn't Donald Duck or African Americans who had their sights on LEOs at the Bundy ranch notadmblnd Mar 2015 #145

Context matters, though. Adrahil Mar 2015 #428

it certainly appears to have inflamed you and a couple of other here. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #436

Wish I could remember Duval Mar 2015 #152

Of course it’s only specularion.. busterbrown Mar 2015 #52

I didn't report anything, but other than that, you are correct. The OP expressed himself and so did FSogol Mar 2015 #63

I stated “you didn’t report anything" busterbrown Mar 2015 #78

Reasonable Roy Rolling Mar 2015 #460

They are welcome to present counter studies and reports to back up their attack. blm Mar 2015 #69

Requesting further help on 'greatest threat' assertion chknltl Mar 2015 #229

DHS Report. Police chiefs based their article and current training guidelines on it, too. blm Mar 2015 #243

Heading to dig there now, thanks again blm. n/t chknltl Mar 2015 #244

fas link: http://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf blm Mar 2015 #246

Having tech issues here... chknltl Mar 2015 #317

^^^This x 1000^^^ BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #80

They also do it here. Rex Mar 2015 #101

I've noticed. It's not beneath them to lie and cheat in order to further their BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #179

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #350

right on, Rex SCantiGOP Mar 2015 #469

I think too the ability to hide behind a wall of anonymity helps bolster some Rex Mar 2015 #473

Yes, to your last sentence. It's not like we are forming domestic US policy here, lol. closeupready Mar 2015 #475

Reckless I tells you! Every word we write here effects entire civilzations! Rex Mar 2015 #476

I also considered the possibility. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #349

yep 840high Mar 2015 #82

There would be no such speculation about cops IF they had not earned the distrust of the people sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #89

The fact that that police department sucks has nothing to do with the speculation exhibited in FSogol Mar 2015 #106

And the fact that the cops tried to tie the incident to the protesters immediately sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #120

Not true. I agree that the shots didn't come from the protesters. My opinion is not based on FSogol Mar 2015 #129

Right Wing groups and cops are natural allies. Many cops belong to these groups. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #148

I don't understand why you are preaching this to me. I said skip the speculation let's get some FSogol Mar 2015 #160

You admonished the OP for speculating. People responded to your admonishment sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #175

Here's some speculation: was the original investigation into Mike Brown's extra-judicial execution KingCharlemagne Mar 2015 #241

Yes, you make a very good point davidsilver Mar 2015 #435

I don't think most cops are aligned with RW extremists as much blm Mar 2015 #459

I didn't blame - I said it COULD HAVE HAPPENED and based blm Mar 2015 #360

There was a time when you wouldn't see that kind of speculation, people have wised up NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #122

I don't think anyone believes the protesters were responsible for the shootings. n/t FSogol Mar 2015 #131

Well if it was a sniper, he wasn't a good shot. notadmblnd Mar 2015 #155

I agree with your last sentence. A good sniper would be able to do that. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #163

one would think that seriously injured officers would spend more than several hours in the hospital notadmblnd Mar 2015 #169

Yes, exactly. n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #477

well, how long would they stay based on the reported injuries? CreekDog Mar 2015 #478

Again, one would think that SERIOUSLY injured officers would spend more than several hours notadmblnd Mar 2015 #481

The round entered his head just under his right eye pintobean Mar 2015 #190

Both of them are out of the hospital. I repeated what news reports sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #207

"civilians are shot and killed on an alarmingly frequent basis in this country" pintobean Mar 2015 #251

Oh, you are talking about regular criminals who murder people every day. I was talking about those sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #337

Unrec... Rex Mar 2015 #121

So, what you are saying is that public playgrounds shouldn't have see-saws.... FSogol Mar 2015 #171

Exactly! Rex Mar 2015 #202

Until a thorough investigation is completed... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #126

UPDATE gregcrawford Mar 2015 #214

Thanks for the perspective. blm Mar 2015 #365

ADL report includes a graphic chart on increased targeting of LEO blm Mar 2015 #266

That chart is fucked up. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #417

not counting Las Vegas, Penn, Florida and Texas. blm Mar 2015 #418

Typical ADL BS. davidsilver Mar 2015 #439

What's wrong with pure speculation when you are speculating? Isn't that done quite a lot on DU? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #146

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #340

Studies don't call them Republicans, either. Nor did I. blm Mar 2015 #345

Thing is liberalmike27 Mar 2015 #472

I love the 'sniper' meme B2G Mar 2015 #3

Police chiefs agree that RW extremists are the greatest threat to their personal safety. blm Mar 2015 #8

I just read the entire article at your police chief mag link and could find virgogal Mar 2015 #143

hich I think, would require a degree of accuracy not common to the ordinary protester. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #51

Texas sharpshooter fallacy jberryhill Mar 2015 #74

And yet, that is exactly what protesters, eye witnesses were tweeting last night. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #157

Exactly....I believe we all can agree this is what happened. ileus Mar 2015 #4

Maybe not exactly, but, definitely could have been. blm Mar 2015 #18

Okay then. This is our reality. pintobean Mar 2015 #42

We went there with the Boston Bombing and looked like fools. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #6

I didn't go there. Save the 'we' for those who did. My basis is police chief report. blm Mar 2015 #12

Sniper shooting by definition, if the shooter(s) not close by. I agree. This isn't a meme, just leveymg Mar 2015 #7

The OP isn't really about snipers. It's about Right Wingers. Bonx Mar 2015 #11

It's about the possibility of RW snipers. leveymg Mar 2015 #13

Sure, could be. Could be ISIS too. 7962 Mar 2015 #166

FBI and DHS put RW extremists ahead of ISIS as actual threats here. blm Mar 2015 #183

Yep. Could have been the ghost of Jesse James. Too early to rule anything out. Bonx Mar 2015 #185

Eye witness reported the source as "500 feet away up the hill." There was another report that leveymg Mar 2015 #200

Thanks - and here's the FAS link to DHS report being questioned: blm Mar 2015 #249

MSNBC just reported "muzzle flashes seen 100 to 200 yards away up the hill." leveymg Mar 2015 #272

Graphic chart from ADL on increase in cop shootings by RW blm Mar 2015 #275

You probably nailed it on the macro level. leveymg Mar 2015 #278

'ambush' is exactly what has been happening to LEO's - blm Mar 2015 #285

This appears to have been a sniper attack, not an ambush. See my comments #284 below. leveymg Mar 2015 #287

Yes, I just didn't see it as an impetuous act of a protestor blm Mar 2015 #294

The distance and accuracy indicates it was rifle(s), probably with scope(s). leveymg Mar 2015 #297

It wasn't a rifle. Probably a pistol caliber carbine. sir pball Mar 2015 #325

It struck me as a planned shot - blm Mar 2015 #329

Oh, it was absolutely planned, agree 100% sir pball Mar 2015 #336

Glad to hear your perspective... blm Mar 2015 #338

At this point I'd like to know the caliber of the shots fired & if they can tell the type weapon 7962 Mar 2015 #276

I agree on all that. leveymg Mar 2015 #284

I think some people have a tendency to want to blame the opposition cali Mar 2015 #9

Recent police chief report says RW extremist are the GREATEST threat facing officers today. blm Mar 2015 #15

are you confused? that is decidedly NOT evidence for your CT theory. Your post belongs in cali Mar 2015 #57

So, according to you, good investigators would immediately strike down blm Mar 2015 #79

uh no. I said nothing of the sort. and you sure as shit wouldn't make a decent investigator cali Mar 2015 #99

No - I clearly stated that it COULD HAVE BEEN - blm Mar 2015 #118

Wow. lol - your authoritarian bias is really strong in this thread. blm did NOT make a decision closeupready Mar 2015 #127

If by Logic 101 you mean Logical Fallacies 101, then you're right. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #130

What are you, her mother? Cali can respond to my post as she sees fit. As for you, closeupready Mar 2015 #133

No, just someone who's familiar enough with her posting history NuclearDem Mar 2015 #135

I have 3x your post volume and 6 years on membership here at DU. Thus, I know better closeupready Mar 2015 #137

I don't particularly care for e-penis waving. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #138

Thanks for THAT mental picture! That was a good laugh, N.D. 7962 Mar 2015 #279

then you damned well know better than to make that accusation. repugnant to make false claims. cali Mar 2015 #144

There is something terribly wrong with your reading comprehension then. cui bono Mar 2015 #424

Great. Thanks for your post. Welcome to my ignore list. closeupready Mar 2015 #468

you're familiar enough with my posts to know that sticking up for the authorities cali Mar 2015 #142

and you concluded that my consideration blm Mar 2015 #221

His thinking is 100% logical! I am a professional logician, and can attest to that fact. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #182

lol. no, it's my bias against thories that are devised to fit preferred narratives. cali Mar 2015 #139

I see. So attempts to instigate race wars has never happened in your universe? closeupready Mar 2015 #161

'preferred' narratives or considered narratives based on DHS report? blm Mar 2015 #225

That's EXACTLY WHY he is speculating! Did he say he KNOWS it was a RWer? NO. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #173

Where is the report that says that they are the GREATEST threat? virgogal Mar 2015 #320

Ya know…. blm Mar 2015 #328

Speculation doesn't require evidence. And I find nothing wrong with his speculation. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #168

Off-hand I doubt it. Yo_Mama Mar 2015 #10

And your suspicion could be correct. I gave a base for my suspicion blm Mar 2015 #40

You mean his speculation, right? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #186

The Black Bloc is mainly into property damage starroute Mar 2015 #47

snipers + protestors...where have i heard that before...??? nashville_brook Mar 2015 #479

Were the two cops wounded by broken glass and spraypaint? stone space Mar 2015 #84

agreed JawJaw Mar 2015 #16

Ridiculous. Beausoir Mar 2015 #19

Who did DHS and police chiefs group name as their TOP threats? blm Mar 2015 #39

I can't believe you think that's evidence for your little theory. It ain't. not close. cali Mar 2015 #61

So FBI agents and investigators should immediately cross extremists off the list blm Mar 2015 #96

one more time, blm: I never said any such thing. pathetic attempt to shy away from producing cali Mar 2015 #102

They're in the DHS report the articles are referring to. blm Mar 2015 #125

Some cops are killed by RW extremists, NuclearDem Mar 2015 #128

No one said that, but you. blm Mar 2015 #132

That's what you're implying. phil89 Mar 2015 #346

LOL - Apparently, she hasn't. blm Mar 2015 #352

. Rex Mar 2015 #224

I didn't tell you to roll over. Bad Rex! NuclearDem Mar 2015 #227

Sorry but your weak attempt at a reply left me laughing so hard I fell down! Rex Mar 2015 #234

Someone on this thread is having some kind of breakdown. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #188

in your world heaven05 Mar 2015 #158

Where is this sniper on a hill coming from? B2G Mar 2015 #20

He's not coming from a hill, he's coming from a grassy knoll, silly./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #21

Lol. I've actually been waitng for that. nt B2G Mar 2015 #23

You may think that's hilarious, but, my suspicion is in line with police chiefs' report. blm Mar 2015 #25

Well, if your theory is proven correct I will apologize./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #26

I'm basing it on statistics gathered by DHS and police chiefs. Whether it proves blm Mar 2015 #31

no. it is not in line with that report. cali Mar 2015 #66

Geez - last month's summit on terrorism included domestic terrorism. blm Mar 2015 #115

you're doing just fine heaven05 Mar 2015 #170

I didn't say they did it - I inserted the possibility blm Mar 2015 #180

exactly heaven05 Mar 2015 #319

are all these attacks heaven05 Mar 2015 #164

There are many here who think the purpose of a discussion site is to "mock" villager Mar 2015 #97

I give you a +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #191

I thought it was from that book suppository building? VScott Mar 2015 #34

Suppository! cwydro Mar 2015 #44

Yep, and it was from pretty far VScott Mar 2015 #53

I first heard 'hill' on morning news - I changed it to some distance blm Mar 2015 #22

A more likely scenario is that B2G Mar 2015 #24

What is wild about the statistics from DHS and police chiefs? blm Mar 2015 #27

please provide those statistics. And it's wild speculation because you have NO evidence. cali Mar 2015 #68

I didn't say there was evidence on this killing - I referred to studies blm Mar 2015 #198

We often refer to our own speculation as "more likely"... LanternWaste Mar 2015 #56

Most of the damn fools I know are RWers. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #193

link: JawJaw Mar 2015 #41

There's no link. nt B2G Mar 2015 #55

apologies JawJaw Mar 2015 #75

Probably a redneck with an AR/AK nt Matrosov Mar 2015 #28

The police are reporting they think the shooter used a handgun. Glassunion Mar 2015 #43

He must have good aim Matrosov Mar 2015 #65

How good does your aim have to be in order to shoot into a crowd and hit someone in the crowd? jberryhill Mar 2015 #85

It would be the unlucky lottery Glassunion Mar 2015 #242

This assumes the shooter was attempting to hit someone in the first place jberryhill Mar 2015 #292

True Glassunion Mar 2015 #307

That's straight up jberryhill Mar 2015 #342

Sir Pball is most likely correct. Glassunion Mar 2015 #363

I appreciate the additional perspective... blm Mar 2015 #380

Pretty good if shooting with a handgun at +100 yards Matrosov Mar 2015 #286

The problem is that we do not know what the shooter was attempting to accomplish jberryhill Mar 2015 #293

Handgun caliber carbine, most likely. sir pball Mar 2015 #326

That's exactly what I was thinking. Glassunion Mar 2015 #358

Yep. sir pball Mar 2015 #366

I'm still thinking that it's a R'winger. Glassunion Mar 2015 #368

I totally agree. sir pball Mar 2015 #371

Don't forget that dude here in PA with the deer rifle. Glassunion Mar 2015 #373

Was he a winger? sir pball Mar 2015 #376

Yes, he was - and used the ambush style. Laid in wait. blm Mar 2015 #381

That's core to the entire winger mentality. sir pball Mar 2015 #385

Yeah. Glassunion Mar 2015 #415

I think that would be a convenient thing to believe to fit the narrative we all want. Kurska Mar 2015 #29

I offered the prospect on the STATISTICS used by DHS and police chiefs blm Mar 2015 #46

And that doesn't prove anything about who did it this time. Kurska Mar 2015 #49

First - I didn't say it's already proven. I offered the possibility based on DHS stats blm Mar 2015 #88

It is also possible they were shot by ISIS or North Korean infiltrators. Kurska Mar 2015 #92

Were ISIS and NK infiltrators ahead of US extremists DHS' list of copkillers? blm Mar 2015 #123

How far behind RW extremist was number 2? and three? nt hack89 Mar 2015 #302

Here's a link to study you might be interested in…. blm Mar 2015 #367

It says nothing about threats to police hack89 Mar 2015 #369

Reports I've been seeing consistently point directly at anti-government crowd. blm Mar 2015 #386

What group(s) are actually shooting police? hack89 Mar 2015 #390

RW extremists operating as individuals or lone wolves. blm Mar 2015 #393

You have posted nothing on RW terrorist actually shooting cops hack89 Mar 2015 #395

Bill Moyers Aug2014: blm Mar 2015 #399

So a very small percentage of cop killings involved domestic terrorists hack89 Mar 2015 #402

there aren't that many cop shootings and cop killings…. blm Mar 2015 #403

One out of fifty annually according to your post hack89 Mar 2015 #406

It's increased in recent years. blm Mar 2015 #407

Common criminals kill more cops than any other group hack89 Mar 2015 #411

Common criminals are not HUNTING the cops they encounter. blm Mar 2015 #412

That is a meaningless question hack89 Mar 2015 #413

No - I said there have been more recently - and the numbers Moyers blm Mar 2015 #414

You said there have been more but you refuse to provide any evidence or numbers hack89 Mar 2015 #416

Go look them up, Las Vegas, Texas, Penn, Florida - You're just effin around at this point. blm Mar 2015 #419

Your claim. Your burden of proof. hack89 Mar 2015 #425

Then you are not reading the links and haven't watched news in the past year. blm Mar 2015 #431

You provided the links demonstrating how rarely RW terrorists shoot cops. hack89 Mar 2015 #433

They are the only ones TARGETING LEO's. blm Mar 2015 #443

You want to ignore the vast majority of cop killings hack89 Mar 2015 #450

Baloney. Situational shootings and TARGETED shootings aren't the same and blm Mar 2015 #452

Dead is dead. Split hairs all you want but terrorists are the least of a cops daily threats. nt hack89 Mar 2015 #453

From your link Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #461

and then Texas, Florida and Pennsylvania ambushes happened soon after... blm Mar 2015 #462

Please link these ambushes you keep speaking of. Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #464

Seriously? blm Mar 2015 #465

uh, no STATISTICS there. far from it. cali Mar 2015 #71

DHS Report on domestic terrorism, cali. Ever heard of it? blm Mar 2015 #134

no statics there either Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #149

Pretty sure I posted links... blm Mar 2015 #189

Look Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #238

DHS Report. blm Mar 2015 #245

It does not say they are the number one threat. hack89 Mar 2015 #303

that was the 2009 report that was the original basis…. blm Mar 2015 #318

No statistics Lurker Deluxe Mar 2015 #370

precisely. I hate that shit. cali Mar 2015 #70

I would not doubt that. n/t Jamastiene Mar 2015 #30

I think it was the Semiconscious Liberation Army Codeine Mar 2015 #32

I'll wait for the facts. romanic Mar 2015 #33

gun nuts going nuts with guns mwrguy Mar 2015 #35

I don't know, but is it possible - well in Nevada last year, those two were far right-wing agitators closeupready Mar 2015 #36

They are also dismissing the reports of DHS and police chief groups blm Mar 2015 #59

Don't worry - most of those who've chimed in with one-liners are the same ones closeupready Mar 2015 #93

my first thought Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #37

That was my first thought as well.... chillfactor Mar 2015 #38

the rw is clearly at fault and they could have done this to increase gun sales samsingh Mar 2015 #45

Honestly - packman Mar 2015 #48

JURY RESULTS: A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #50

Jury gets another one wrong, as an anonymous "please!" is quite persuasive. closeupready Mar 2015 #54

A lot of effort went into that alert. pintobean Mar 2015 #58

A lot of work went into that alert, please! FSogol Mar 2015 #64

I'm alerting on this. pintobean Mar 2015 #77

You'll have to wait your turn, I suspect. Thanks though, I find the hide funny. FSogol Mar 2015 #86

Incredibly stupid alert. LOTS of that going around. nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #113

ALERT ABUSE. Someone wants DU to shut up off all conversation except official announcements. leveymg Mar 2015 #295

Creative speculation. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #60

You can bet the FBI is "creatively speculating" too. That's their job. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #199

Let's hope they use the appropriate forum (creative speculation) for such tasks. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2015 #404

4 out of 5 weak, timid minds agree. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #62

Oh dear. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #67

It's speculation. Having said that, rightwingers are generally quicker to resort to violence to try GoneFishin Mar 2015 #72

Or maybe it was the cops who shot their own to make the protesters look bad. cali Mar 2015 #73

It was the cops, but as fake as the moon landing. pintobean Mar 2015 #83

So cops are a bigger danger to cops than sovereign citizens or ISIS? Talk about absurd logic. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #204

Cops should at least be open to this possibility... perdita9 Mar 2015 #76

You WANT it be by a RW agitators because it fits your bias Lurks Often Mar 2015 #81

yep, yep, yep. I have a particular disdain for that shit. cali Mar 2015 #91

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for an apology post if he is wrong Lurks Often Mar 2015 #95

Why? DHS, FBI, and police groups have RW extremists at top of list blm Mar 2015 #153

Oh, it's a false conclusion and will be proven so. Beausoir Mar 2015 #177

It wasn't a conclusion - I said I think it COULD HAVE BEEN blm Mar 2015 #235

He can't be wrong - he said it was a possibility and it surely is! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #208

A few people are having a meltdown in this very thread! Rex Mar 2015 #212

It is quite shocking! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #218

"all the posters ... I learned long ago to ignore." Yes. Same here. closeupready Mar 2015 #230

Yes thankfully we live in America. Rex Mar 2015 #236

So, what you're saying is: Nothng to see here. Move along?' Joe Chi Minh Mar 2015 #103

I so love the wild speculation without facts here Lurks Often Mar 2015 #110

Strike off first suspect on list of threats to law enforcement as speculation. blm Mar 2015 #194

More noise. If you are wrong, are you going to post an apology? Lurks Often Mar 2015 #206

Why? I didn't declare them guilty - I considered the possibility based on blm Mar 2015 #209

Speculation DOES NOT REQUIRE FACTS! Jeebus!! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #210

Nope - RW extremists are on top of FBI, DHS and police chief lists. blm Mar 2015 #141

Like many here did for the Boston Marathon bombings. Throd Mar 2015 #159

I remember that too. Me I'll wait for some more facts as well Lurks Often Mar 2015 #237

FBI considered use of snipers for some reason during Occupy. Octafish Mar 2015 #87

Those are the most authentic-looking docs I have ever seen. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #90

They're from the FBI. Octafish Mar 2015 #100

Of course they are. That's why they look so authentic. nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #112

Yeah, that's not what those documents said. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #98

No? What do they say, then? Octafish Mar 2015 #104

That the FBI had information on someone planning to engage in sniper attacks against OWS. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #114

Stand by...new CT loading...nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #136

As opposed to finding information to refute? Octafish Mar 2015 #196

HA! Goodluck with that! Rex Mar 2015 #205

The hypocrisy is a tell. Octafish Mar 2015 #219

Oh I know and everyone sees it, not like it is hard to notice. Rex Mar 2015 #232

From the Congressional Record: Octafish Mar 2015 #239

Arguing a CTer is like pushing on a string. No point to it. Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #291

I don't know why I bother to be nice to you. Octafish Mar 2015 #314

Where would he get that idea? Octafish Mar 2015 #195

Actually, those are members of the Massachusetts National Guard's WMD-CST. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #213

MNG. Octafish Mar 2015 #216

What, that's it? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #222

Now you're posting Alex Jones bullshit? zappaman Mar 2015 #260

No. It's from Imgur. Octafish Mar 2015 #310

I'll stick to the facts. zappaman Mar 2015 #324

I didn't post anything from Alex Jones, zappaman. You did. Octafish Mar 2015 #327

Actually you did as I showed. zappaman Mar 2015 #333

Not at all. Why does that photo bother you so much? Octafish Mar 2015 #344

I know you don't care if you post bullshit. zappaman Mar 2015 #347

Alex Jones? Skeptical Libertarian? zappaman, why? Octafish Mar 2015 #359

Sorry I showed your Boston Bombing false flag theory to be bullshit. zappaman Mar 2015 #364

Why attack me, zappaman? They're your links and sources. Octafish Mar 2015 #372

No problem. You never admit when you're wrong. zappaman Mar 2015 #375

Except the picture is from Imgur. Octafish Mar 2015 #396

Except it originated with info wars which you are pretending not to know. zappaman Mar 2015 #398

You seem to really know your way around the antisemitic hateosphere. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #409

Can you point out where in that memo it says zappaman Mar 2015 #263

Somehow in all of this FBI evilness they still manage to release an incriminating doc IMMEDIATELY Dreamer Tatum Mar 2015 #299

Last I heard, a Federal judge ordered FBI to release more info. Octafish Mar 2015 #313

So the memo doesn't say what you said it said. zappaman Mar 2015 #316

Wow, you realize that article does in no way confirm your spin of an FBI plot. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #331

Of course it doesn't. zappaman Mar 2015 #334

LOL! I see the Flat Earth Society chimed in about the horrors of you having an opinion! Rex Mar 2015 #94

Opine away, but if you don't provide any evidence for a theory, you're gonna get shit. cali Mar 2015 #105

Oh I will! I won't let some authoritarians tell me what I can and cannot do on this site. Rex Mar 2015 #119

no one has told you any such thing. I have a particular bias against people trying to cali Mar 2015 #147

Nope I said I would NOT do what you are doing. Read it again. Rex Mar 2015 #203

Theorizing and speculating are 2 very distinct things. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #215

DHS Report, cali blm Mar 2015 #250

My husband just said the same thing - about 10 minutes ago. calimary Mar 2015 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author GoneFishin Mar 2015 #217

Yep. I don't mind admitting to speculation. My basis is knowledge of the personalities involved and GoneFishin Mar 2015 #220

I totally agree with you. calimary Mar 2015 #305

Yes. The concept of honesty and fair play is foreign to them, or they consider it to be a weakness GoneFishin Mar 2015 #308

It seems that wondering about the possibility would be considered normal. blm Mar 2015 #312

You keep rattling on about statistics supporting your, uh, theory, but won't post them. cali Mar 2015 #108

He never said it was a theory - give it up! You are being very disingenuous. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #223

I have to admit . . . that very thing crossed my mind. Vinca Mar 2015 #109

Your post, I can still see it LOL I remember someone who suggested the cops started the fires NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #111

When the perps are caught and turn out to be common criminals... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #116

very possible. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #117

And whose head here didn't the thought pop into? A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #124

Like I said. My first thought was "KKK". Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #140

It is not beyond possibility. Duval Mar 2015 #150

First thought I had. jillan Mar 2015 #151

It's a valid possibility AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #154

I can see an anarchist doing it also, along with an angry person who hates cops still_one Mar 2015 #162

Also very true AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #197

Nope. Speculation is unwise in these incidents. still_one Mar 2015 #156

Why? Unwise for who? Speculation is the same as wondering. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #228

It's not exactly wildly speculative, still…. blm Mar 2015 #253

Such speculation serves no positive purpose! Sad Cryptoad Mar 2015 #165

"Shooters are punks trying to sew discord in the community." DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #167

I'll needle to see a citation for that. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #172

It was his contemporaneous remarks that I did my best to transcribe at approximately 11:10 A.M. PST DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #176

I was just kiddin you about the sew/sow. A-Schwarzenegger Mar 2015 #178

I saw what I did./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #181

Who would have more motivation to sow discord? African Americans or disgruntled right wingers? notadmblnd Mar 2015 #174

Could be - certainly possible blm Mar 2015 #192

Confirmation bias? ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #184

No. I have posted about the DHS report here the last few years. blm Mar 2015 #211

You misunderstand. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #226

I am saying, "No, I am not." I am saying that it could have been based on blm Mar 2015 #231

It could also have been Elmer Fudd. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #300

Were there recent reports issued on Elmer Fudd targeting law enforcement? blm Mar 2015 #301

That's not evidence, unfortunately. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #311

I never claimed there was evidence. I never made any claim to KNOW what happened. blm Mar 2015 #323

I resent irresponsible speculation about very serious matters, particularly when they're nearby. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #330

My concerns are no different than law enforcement's. There was nothing irresponsible in the blm Mar 2015 #335

The law enforcement actually INVOLVED in the investigation has alluded to nothing of the sort. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #341

Why would they? You really believe that not one of them blm Mar 2015 #343

I suspect that while they considered many possibilities, they had the good sense not to speculate. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #353

I know what I've been reading in various government reports and blm Mar 2015 #354

So, you admit you know bupkess about this particular crime? ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #357

Why would you have to know about THIS crime only to blm Mar 2015 #361

"…pose the greatest threat to their communities…." blm Mar 2015 #362

Because it WASN'T reasoned, that's why. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #374

I have been reading these reports for decades. blm Mar 2015 #377

It was irresponsible, because you had exactly ZERO evidence that RW-ers were involved. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #379

Didn't claim I had the evidence. I clearly based my post on current LEO concerns blm Mar 2015 #382

How well you do parse! ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #384

So you see the words "think" and "COULD HAVE BEEN" blm Mar 2015 #388

I did nothing of the sort. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #389

LOLOL - blm Mar 2015 #391

You shouldn't be comfortable saying it ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #426

I never said that area was a hotbed of RW extremism. blm Mar 2015 #430

I'll move on when I damn well feel like it, thank you very much. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #440

There is nothing ignorant about it, you know it, and can't stand that blm Mar 2015 #444

Your irresponsible, ignorant post is an insult to the purpose of DU. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #445

Then alert on the OP and take it down. blm Mar 2015 #448

No, thanks. ColesCountyDem Mar 2015 #456

Too many thick heads in this thread. Might as well move on before my head explodes. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #233

FAS link on DHS Report: blm Mar 2015 #247

Oh, I'm very familiar with the report. But I'll look again, thanks. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #255

Graphic here on RW's increased targeting of police. blm Mar 2015 #262

Here you go! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #264

Thank you - deserves its own thread. blm Mar 2015 #277

Not a lot of Rocket Scientist makeup in this crew! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #283

Pretty amazing sight blm Mar 2015 #289

Now if only cali was interested enough to read it, but her mind seems closed on the issue. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #259

Interesting, that - she comes in, creates drama and noise, demanding statistics and facts, closeupready Mar 2015 #267

She seems to "protesteth too mucheth". Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #269

I'm gonna say it: I think the shooter was one of the ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #187

My money is on the Illuminati, aliens and the Masons Lurks Often Mar 2015 #240

Though I doubt it, I wouldn't put anything past them marym625 Mar 2015 #201

Well if there was some report that said that rw extremists are are a threat to police DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #248

No. Why would anyone use the word 'all' based on the findings of DHS report? blm Mar 2015 #252

Oh, so the report just says RW extremists are guilty of this particular shooting? DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #254

Who has claimed that about this shooting? blm Mar 2015 #256

Oh, so you're not actually claiming that RW extremists did this shooting? What is the point DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #265

Wow - stick to flailing at the straw men you create. blm Mar 2015 #296

Obviously you are trying to avoid answering my questions with your red herring. DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #309

No - I don't agree with 'all this' you wrote. blm Mar 2015 #321

A report from 2009 from DHS is in no was relevant to a single shooting today. DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #351

LOL - Apparently you didn't bother to read blm Mar 2015 #356

LOL. If all you could respond to from my post was one cherry picked word you have lost DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #383

Wow. That's how you see it, huh? blm Mar 2015 #392

Really odd logic. Why don't you go have an ice cream cone or something? Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #261

2010: 'Christian warrior' militia accused in plot to kill police Octafish Mar 2015 #483

It's a good bet. Klansman with a high-powered & scoped hunting rifle. backscatter712 Mar 2015 #257

Released from the hospital hours after getting shot in the face with a high-powered rifle? LOL DesMoinesDem Mar 2015 #270

It's part of the plot GusBob Mar 2015 #273

The victims have been released from hospital, shell casings recovered GusBob Mar 2015 #258

I do wonder malaise Mar 2015 #268

Certainly possible. moondust Mar 2015 #271

Why don't we wait to see the evidence? LittleBlue Mar 2015 #274

"Why don't we wait" ... to what, have discussion on a discussion board? Reasonable. closeupready Mar 2015 #281

This is a conspiracy theory LittleBlue Mar 2015 #282

Disagree. Conspiracies, by definition, posit participation of more than one participant. closeupready Mar 2015 #288

The consideration of the possibility is based on REAL law enforcement concerns not theory... blm Mar 2015 #290

No, I didn't. My post is considering the possibility based on REAL law enforcement concerns. blm Mar 2015 #298

I like the fact that you don't take any of their bait and keep posting what you base your opinion on Rex Mar 2015 #306

I never had to battle so many straw men here. blm Mar 2015 #322

And isn't it interesting that so many of them carry exactly the same tone. canoeist52 Mar 2015 #442

Fucking BFEE is everywhere, man...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #280

A race war? kentuck Mar 2015 #304

BBC: "heinous assault" that could undermine police reforms moondust Mar 2015 #315

Makes sense to me. MuttLikeMe Mar 2015 #332

Oh boy is this thread getting bookmarked AngryAmish Mar 2015 #339

I think you might be on to something. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #348

And it is a TWO FER for the likely white supermacists who did the shooting, put blame on AfAm AND NoJusticeNoPeace Mar 2015 #355

It is sad watching DUers defend RWing extremists. Rex Mar 2015 #378

Who the hell is defending rightwing extremists? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #394

I don't think they're defending RW extremist - I think they want blm Mar 2015 #400

The ones that disagree with you do for sure. Rex Mar 2015 #421

I got to say, any number of things could have happened and I have no clue TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #387

Thank you! I am suspicious too, though will wait for all facts. Anansi1171 Mar 2015 #397

Yeah - I saw that piece at SPLC a while back. blm Mar 2015 #401

It's totally a possibility and why can't we talk about it? We should just think it and not say a Cha Mar 2015 #405

I've noticed an uptick on the RW sites making claims about Obama blm Mar 2015 #410

Is there any evidence for it? Adrahil Mar 2015 #427

I backed up why it deserves consideration blm Mar 2015 #434

Sorry... sounds like the same kind of "false flag" stuff the freepers are always advancing. Adrahil Mar 2015 #463

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Look at how many views you have already.. 6284! Somebodies are interested.. Cha Mar 2015 #420

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It's a good thing nobody expects Republican fundamentalist groups Rex Mar 2015 #422

First thing hubby said when he heard about it appleannie1 Mar 2015 #429

Many DUers are saying they thought the same - Which is why I find blm Mar 2015 #437

Why were they protesting the night the officers were shot? The police chief had just resigned and B Calm Mar 2015 #438

Some were protesting for complete change, most were celebrating. blm Mar 2015 #447

Soon as I heard about the shooting, I thought it had to be a right-wing extremist stirring up hatred B Calm Mar 2015 #451

Well, more than the deniers here want to admit. blm Mar 2015 #454

On CNN a few minutes ago one of the guests suggested that the shooter could have been malaise Mar 2015 #446

Thanks for the update. blm Mar 2015 #449

Snort ... yeah, how about that? lol So funny - this thread is comedy gold closeupready Mar 2015 #466

grazie blm Mar 2015 #467

There have been such things as "agents provacateurs" before in history... CTyankee Mar 2015 #455

The big picture.. Tara491 Mar 2015 #457

post = paranoid delusion SCantiGOP Mar 2015 #458

How do we know the Police didn't shoot themselves ? Bonx Mar 2015 #470

You can unrec this and blast blm for speculation matt819 Mar 2015 #471

DUers are doing a smash up job pushing back against, IMO asiliveandbreathe Mar 2015 #474

hold your breath, maybe eric holder will swoop in with the FBI. NM_Birder Mar 2015 #480

The simplest explanation is usually the right one. underpants Mar 2015 #482

Guess we'll soon find out (nt) Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #484

kick Nye Bevan Mar 2015 #485