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Ms. Toad

(34,073 posts)
28. Two of the health care workers failed to do it properly.
Wed Oct 29, 2014, 10:36 PM
Oct 2014

Both of them experienced fatigue for 3 days prior to running a fever. Both should have self-quarantined at that point - as being diagnosed with Ebola 3 days later confirms. Neither did. Nurse Vinson's errors were even more severe - she boarded a plane with a fever. 13% of people with Ebola do not run a fever, so the magic cut-off point of 100.4 is not a good predictor of when someone is contagious.

Although peer reviewed studies are clear that patients are contagious when they have fevers, diarrhea, and are vomiting. They are far less absolute about the risks of transmission in the early stages of Ebola or transmission via contact with items touched by people with Ebola than people on DU or popular media. They speak in terms of low risk, not zero risk. Ebola has been found on surfaces which are not visibly contaminated with fluids - and the study confirming that suggested that in places other than isolation wards (where the research was conducted) it was likely that more virus would be found. Not much research has been done yet, but there are also a few more than a dozen people who have contracted Ebola without any identifiable contacts with someone with Ebola - suggesting that at least in a small number of cases someone like Vinson or Spencer, without obvious signs of Ebola, passed it on to them.

When my brother was little, he repeatedly stuck a rock in his ear for the fun of it. It always came out, so he kept doing it. Until one time it didn't. The fact that no one has gotten Ebola in the US until now, or that none of the health care workers or returning travelers resulted in ANY infections is not convincing, especially since we now have 4 cases. One from a traveler to this country, one from a returning health care worker, and two infections passed on from the traveler to this country (your assertions to the contrary notwithstanding). As the number of people with Ebola in Africa continues to increase, the odds that we will see more and more cases like the 4 in the last month - up from zero prior to that. Unless we get better at implementing the precautions necessary, we will see an increasing number of except, except, except cases - until people wake up and realize that we are not invincible.

Demanding that anyone with known contact with an Ebola patient treat even vague symptoms as if it was Ebola is the surest way to continue to beat the odds, and 2 of the 3 health care workers failed to do so. That needs to change.

Because if all the frightened pants-wetters knew The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #1
Yup. eom uppityperson Oct 2014 #2
Exactly. That's how the home of the brave rolls these days. arcane1 Oct 2014 #3
do you think they should even be monitored? WinkyDink Oct 2014 #4
sounds like the deal. sounds like what works. seems to be 100% effective. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #7
Not knowing who they are or why they are being monitored, it makes it difficult to have an informed uppityperson Oct 2014 #15
for real, get this. some poster said it was good that nurse locked up. protected her from rioters. seabeyond Oct 2014 #6
There it is. You win the thread! freshwest Oct 2014 #27
According to the state of Michigan ... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #5
but, there are some to demand locking up the doctor. i wonder if they will insist every person seabeyond Oct 2014 #8
This is craziness ... clearly they have .... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #10
The cognitive dissonance jen63 Oct 2014 #12
Disheartening to say the least! n/t etherealtruth Oct 2014 #14
I'm trying to keep my jen63 Oct 2014 #18
Not "a" case, but two. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #16
What? etherealtruth Oct 2014 #20
Not insinuating, flat out stating it. You said we had not even had "a" case. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #22
Let me clarify ... we have not had a case of community aquired Ebola etherealtruth Oct 2014 #23
There is a huge difference between catching ebola in the community and by taking care of ebola pt in uppityperson Oct 2014 #26
There has been ebola, but no cases passed on from any returning HCW. It is true that one traveler uppityperson Oct 2014 #21
Except, except, except... Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #24
What you say as "far simpler..." is what they are doing. uppityperson Oct 2014 #25
Two of the health care workers failed to do it properly. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #28
I read a report earlier, am too tired to go look it up right now, saying they were not sure if what uppityperson Oct 2014 #29
You disagree with the CDC, then. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #35
Bears have fur, but not all animals with fur are bears. uppityperson Oct 2014 #36
Reread my post - everything you are asking for is in the excerpt, Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #37
Excuse me, I missed the last 2 words my previous post, have edited them in uppityperson Oct 2014 #30
blew it... i tell you, all the way to virus free and contained. fuckin blew it. nt seabeyond Oct 2014 #33
Glad you can predict the future, since 21 days have not yet passed. Ms. Toad Oct 2014 #34
As has been noted elsewhere: The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2014 #9
HIPAA? Brigid Oct 2014 #11
That has been my thought ... etherealtruth Oct 2014 #13
A wonderful thread, it confirms the science, it has silenced the folks that have rejected science Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #17
even if they were.... bmac19gg Oct 2014 #19
Because Corbett doesn't have a stake in the sales of duct tape and plastic sheeting? msanthrope Oct 2014 #31
Sorry. I'll try harder next time uppityperson Oct 2014 #32
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