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In reply to the discussion: The Putin Contingent on DU: WTF? [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)147. 'which is not to say the US is never involved'
Are you serious? How about the US was DEEPLY involved?
From December of last year:
In Ukraine US Senators McCain and Murphy Address Protesters Promise Support
We are here, said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), to support your just cause: the sovereign right to determine [Ukraines] own destiny freely and independently. And the destiny you seek lies in Europe.
Added Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.): Ukraines future stands with Europe, and the U.S. stands with Ukraine.
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Murphy, McCain and European politicians who addressed the crowd in Kiev on Sunday turned up the pressure on Yanukovych, promising that their governments will consider individual financial sanctions against responsible Ukrainian officials if there is any further outbreak of police violence against the protesters who come and go at the semi-permanent encampment on Kievs Independence Square.
Added Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.): Ukraines future stands with Europe, and the U.S. stands with Ukraine.
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Murphy, McCain and European politicians who addressed the crowd in Kiev on Sunday turned up the pressure on Yanukovych, promising that their governments will consider individual financial sanctions against responsible Ukrainian officials if there is any further outbreak of police violence against the protesters who come and go at the semi-permanent encampment on Kievs Independence Square.
Wow! That's tough talk about protecting THOSE protesters.
Too bad they couldn't find the time to 'warn' Ferguson officials against SHOOTING American citizens and bringing out tanks and military weapons and 'soldiers, the NG also, to attack THOSE protesters, right here in their own country, no? Meh, who cares about America, Ukraine is far more 'interesting' to our elected officials??
U.S. Senator John McCain, center, speaks as Democratic senator from the state of Connecticut, Chris Murphy, second left, and Opposition leader Oleh Tyahnybok, right, stand around him during a Pro-European Union rally in Independence Square in Kiev, Ukraine, Sunday, Dec. 15, 2013.
That's Oleh the neo nazi btw. McCain has a habit of posing with such questionable people I've learned, like the Al Queda, well 'protester' in Syria eg.
To me that looks like two US Senators in Ukraine issuing orders to the then elected president and promising 'support' to the protesters.
What on earth would two Senators from this country be doing ordering around the leader of a foreign nation and encouraging the 'protesters' telling them 'you are making history'?
That's pretty powerful support right there. And there was more.
State Dept official, Victoria Nuland was there too. Remember her, caught on tape choosing 'our guy, Yatze' to take over after the coup? And handing out cookies to the protesters? There was that embarrassing momen on the tape when she said 'fuck the EU'. Guess they weren't working hard enough to 'support' the cou, I mean protesters.
What a coincidence, all those powerful US reps just happened to arrive in sunny Ukr right before the coup. Promising 'support'. Guess they were all vacationing or something?
Which is not to say we NEVER are involved? I think it would be far better to just admit the facts in the face of all the evidence that has been viewed all over the globe.
Your post is pretty condescending to your fellow DUers, or 'useful idiots' as you called us. Don't underestimate DU, or anyone else for that matter because it isn't just HERE that people are seriously questioning what is going on with that far away country and why our Tax Dollars are being spent on yet another foreign adventure when right here we have one in six children going to be hungry every night.
DUers are pretty astute and not easily propagandized. Were you here during the past decade? '
Let's dispense with the condescension and the pretense that our elected officials just stumbled on Ukr on their vacations.
We KNOW the truth. Then we can go from there. It really does get tiring having to deal with the lies and propaganda and deceptions over and over again.
Now, starting from the fact that the US IS deeply involved in Ukr and was during the coup, WHY? Why are we there?
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lonestarnot
Sep 2014
#143
You mean like the Saddam Lovers? Putin Lovers/Saddam Lovers?? Remember? We used to have them too.
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#5
I wasn't over the Saddam Lovers yet, it CAN take years you know. Then we were hit with the
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#9
I have read those posts and saw no 'pootie lovers' there. I guess you didn't either or you would
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#44
"E" for effort, but you're interacting with a poster who boasts "50 million US households watch RT".
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#81
Big deal. Most of them are just watching a Russian cartoon comedy show starring Yakov Smiroff.
Major Hogwash
Sep 2014
#112
Lol, pay attention. You are talking AGAIN to someone who may be 'just visiting'!
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#138
You're the one that compared Netanyahu to Hitler and the Nazi's, not anyone else here. nt.
IronGate
Sep 2014
#38
That's because the FR Begathon is over and they are free to troll here now. Wankers
Monk06
Sep 2014
#106
the ban on America-haters, kooks and crackpots was always honored in the breach . . . nt
geek tragedy
Sep 2014
#162
A) There were hundreds of thousands of protesters and B) There was no coup.
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#163
The WaPo is 'Russian State Media'? Lol. It's hard to refute hard evidence, I understand that. And
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#172
The discussion was, 'was the US involved in the toppling of Ukr's govt. Not 'prove there was a coup'
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#190
When one side has to engage in ad hominems (see: "Putin contingent"), they usually are afraid of..
anti partisan
Sep 2014
#19
Waiting for you to provide some evidence of DUers supporting Bush's invasion of Iraq.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Sep 2014
#182
I hadn't seen that, but that is disgusting. Looks like Obama haters & Putin peddlers have found....
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#84
Thank You. I honestly try to avoid threads about Snowden or mentioning him at all-
KittyWampus
Sep 2014
#165
It's a big world. There are Russians who like him. There are people here who like Obama
Autumn
Sep 2014
#24
It's a big world. But this is a website for the American Democratic party, and for
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#56
It's neither the Democratic party position or the progressive/left position to support
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#94
You don't get the idea that some people in Russia or the US may just like their leaders?
Autumn
Sep 2014
#171
+1! Nailed It! It really is just that simple for some of the Putin boosters here.
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#89
Okay, doesn't make your "team"'s response any less vile or reprehensible though
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#76
Are Mods above the rules? Now that is interesting. I hadn't heard that.
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#100
I'm sorry Tommy, that was a bad hide. Twitter is a public forum. What was the problem?
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#185
They claimed it couldn't be verified as her Twitter account and therefore was an unfair attack.
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#186
Thank you for this link....as with the others you helpfully provided in the worst hidden
msanthrope
Sep 2014
#187
I agree with MADem and the others who are calling for Admin to take a look at the hide, and jury.
Tarheel_Dem
Sep 2014
#188
Especially considering that a poster in this thread keeps screeching "whooo?? Whooo?? WHOOOO??"
Number23
Sep 2014
#202
I'm sure if we scour the 8 years of George W. Bush we can find some action of his we support as well
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#42
In all seriousness, they don't even have the cover of left-wing ideology
TwilightGardener
Sep 2014
#64
Was it just two years ago many Conservatives complained about Obama comments to Putin on open mike
gordianot
Sep 2014
#82
Embarrassingly enough the fringe left has always had Soviet sympathizers
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Sep 2014
#105
As someone who has been to Castro's Cuba, Mugabe's Zimbabwe and St. Hugo's Venezuela
Sen. Walter Sobchak
Sep 2014
#123
It doesn't matter if it's not RT. It's a subjective and highly inaccurate narrative of events.
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#170
Cute. You know you can actually post real photos and videos of that day's tragic events...
Tommy_Carcetti
Sep 2014
#196
Is there an RT link here somewhere? I'd like to see it, they have been dead right on so many issues
sabrina 1
Sep 2014
#148
I call them (those who twist to the extreme) "pretzels." The knot in the center of their pretzel
kelliekat44
Sep 2014
#169