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KoKo

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Sun Mar 2, 2014, 06:32 PM Mar 2014

If you think Putin is bad on GLBT Rights...Check out the New Ukraine Parliament! [View all]

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Ukraine has not experienced a genuine revolution, merely a change of elites
The new rulers in Kiev, with links to the right, will never tackle the root cause of corruption in Ukraine: poverty and inequality

Volodymyr Ishchenko


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/ukraine-genuine-revolution-tackle-corruption

The far right has also achieved a major breakthrough in the government. Some commentators have warned that their level of representation in the new Ukrainian government is unparalleled in Europe. The xenophobic Svoboda party controls the posts of deputy prime minister, ministers of defence, ecology, agriculture and the prosecutor general's office. Andriy Parubiy, one of the founders of the Social-National Party of Ukraine and a former leader of its paramilitary youth organisation, who later joined the moderate Batkivshchyna party and efficiently commanded self-defence forces in Maidan, is now the head of the national security and defense council.

At the same time, the protest badly fits into the coup label of a well-planned armed seizure of power. The Maidan movement, particularly its paramilitary arm, was hardly controlled by the parliamentary parties. In fact, these parties were regularly trying to pacify the movement, urging compromises with Yanukovych, albeit without much success.

What is most worrying is that the new government cannot control the infamous Right Sector. Its members are now popular heroes, the vanguard of the victorious "revolution". They have guns captured from police departments in the western regions and now, after Yanukovych's toppling, are demanding that the revolution needs to continue against "corrupt democracy" and liberalism. The liberals celebrating their decisiveness and crucial role in the Maidan movement are now discovering the right's reactionary ideas. Recently, the press secretary of the Right Sector gave an interview saying "we need to tell Europe the right way to go" and save it from the "terrible situation" of "total liberalism", when people don't go to church and are tolerant of lesbian, gay bisexual and transgender rights. It is too soon for the Right Sector to move against the new government – it lacks the support. But the group may lead a new insurrection in the event of a rapid and deepening economic crisis. In the absence of any strong leftist force in Ukraine, social grievances will be whipped up by rightwing populists.

At the same time, the leading role of radical Ukrainian nationalists in potential new "social Maidan" will preclude any all-national movement against the ruling class, with mass participation from the east and the south of culturally divided Ukraine. Moreover, they even amplify separatist attitudes and attempts of pro-Russian provocations, as we have seen in Crimea. The full-scale civil war, although not inevitable, is a real threat now.

In this situation, the best policy for the west would be to insist on the peaceful resolution of the interregional conflicts in Ukraine, taking a strong position against participation of the far right in the new government and uncontrolled rightist paramilitaries on the streets. Last but not least, the west could offer unconditional help to Ukraine by cancelling its foreign debt – a popular demand raised by many progressive movements all over the world.

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Kick for an interesting read...different from our MS Cable Media. KoKo Mar 2014 #1
and they're both wrong. doesn't make russia any better. do try not to use GLBTs as pawns... dionysus Mar 2014 #2
! "do try not to use GLBTs as pawns" sibelian Mar 2014 #3
No one here said Russia is any better YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #9
it's been implied a lot, or posited that we are "just as bad", all the time here. dionysus Mar 2014 #12
I meant "no one in this thread" YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #14
oh, okay. in that context you're right. dionysus Mar 2014 #15
The Putin Propaganda copy and paste crowd Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #4
he's dreamy.. and ultra liberally n stuff... stickin it to the meal ol PTB of the west! dionysus Mar 2014 #6
how is pointing out that there are creeps and bigots on both sides in the cali Mar 2014 #8
I agree about the need for the right wingers in Ukraine Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #16
If you recognize that Putin is square in the middle in terms of Eastern Orthodox politics... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #34
Oh, is that the meme now? YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #10
Yeah, that article is just chock full of Putin Putin Putin. progressoid Mar 2014 #17
Really? Lolol. That's your defense? Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #19
Defense? progressoid Mar 2014 #22
The article is about the reactionary right's seizure of power in the wake of the revolution Scootaloo Mar 2014 #26
There has been a steady stream of exaggerations about malevolence of Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #27
Pardon me if I'm reading you wrong, but... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #30
gays are allowed to adopt in ukraine JI7 Mar 2014 #5
UPDATE: The Banning of Gay Adoption was in 2011 by Ukraine... KoKo Mar 2014 #13
You'll have to be more specific. On what day did this new government in Pretzel_Warrior Mar 2014 #18
I just searched on the Guardian and found no article saying adoption laws were changed Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #21
I searched POSTER #5 's statement about NEW Ukraine Parliament COUP banning Gay Adoption... KoKo Mar 2014 #37
2011 was when Yanukovych was president. pampango Mar 2014 #44
Not if they're in a same-sex relationship, actually Scootaloo Mar 2014 #29
So both Russia and Ukraine are bad when it comes to LGBT rights. Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #7
Agreed. YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #11
They didn't "Invade" Ukraine... They protected their Bases in Russian KoKo Mar 2014 #20
Ok...just looked at a map. Crimea is part of Ukraine. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #23
Yes...it is. Maybe do a Google or Wiki (although their stuff is often partisan or KoKo Mar 2014 #25
I'd like a link about your claim about the adoption rules. Thanks again. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #24
Poster #5 said that New Parliament introduced it..but they were Incorrect... KoKo Mar 2014 #38
It wasn't MY Claim but Poster #5...JI7 KoKo Mar 2014 #40
So you would support the US pouring 10K troops into Guantanamo and securing the area around it? nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #28
Well, given that Cuba doesn't recognize any US right to Guantanamo... Scootaloo Mar 2014 #32
Same difference. The current Ukrainian government didn't sign that deal with Russia nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #33
So every time the govermnet changes, that invalidates previous agreements? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #35
No, but such agreements aren't a waiver of sovereignty. nt geek tragedy Mar 2014 #36
They have a 30 year lease on that base that absolutely no one was threatening. pampango Mar 2014 #45
Svoboda represents the 10% in Ukraine. Putin's party, the majority. joshcryer Mar 2014 #31
But in 2011 in the Ukraine .... KoKo Mar 2014 #39
This eye-opening piece was linked by frazzle: freshwest Mar 2014 #41
"Democracy Now" interviewed Professor Snyder & Nicolai Petro in Ukraine Discussion KoKo Mar 2014 #42
...1 KoKo Mar 2014 #43
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