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In reply to the discussion: Hlllary Clinton strongest non-incumbent in history=Nate Silver on 2016 presidential- [View all]graham4anything
(11,464 posts)Add President Obama's supporters- 95% of President Obama's supporters heavily support President Obama
95% of President Obama's supporters heavily support Hillary Clinton for President in 2016
100% of Hillary's supporters heavily support Hillary for President in 2016
conclusion- there is NO way anyone else but Hillary will be the democratic nominee for President in 2016 by far.
There are NOT enough other voters out there to vote for anyone but Hillary and Hillary has so many supporters, that it goes
without saying Hillary will be the next President by a landslide, and like in 2008 and 2012
with the direct support of President Obama, Michelle Obama, Joe Biden and so many other DEMOCRATIC people behind her,
the voters SHALL COME OUT no matter how hard it will be in some states to vote
And IMHO, red states today will and shall vote for Hillary and she will also turn Texas blue
I was sure of this before this week
I am 100times more sure of this today, after the abysmal Voting rights acts bill the other day, it has woken everybody up,
and except for some wedge issues otherwise, people are looking at this and I have never been so sure of anything except that I knew President Obama would become President, I am sure Hillary will be our next President.
The only thing we don't know is, who is her VP.
As for the 2008 president race, all that is behind both Hillary and President Obama. Ancient backward past.
Both of them long ago settled that, by the single most ingenious political move since LBJ accepted the VP with JFK.
President Obama's offering of SOS to Hillary was HIS OWN DOING. Many on his staff were startled by it and it wasn't their idea
President Obama tossed his ego out the window (unlike other times in the past when ego caused startling embarrising fracture like in 1980 for instance among other things)
and then Hillary, also did the same and accepted the job, and in doing so, worked to move FORWARD
I was a Barack Obama supporter way back in 2004, and was obviously for him in 2008 primaries.
I myself cannot recall any other time in history(my history) that someone I was not for, EARNED my vote and my respect forever
as Hillary has done by putting aside the acrimony, by her not sulking like others in the past after they did not win the primary
(and especially I am thinking of Bill Bradley who now has up and disappeared from the scene for years, just recently coming back
to side with the President, but after his loss to Al Gore, (he would have made a great VP), he just left the arena.
Hillary put aside the 2008 race, and became the best SOS we have had.
And note-a few weeks ago, it was released that the 3 people who ran her campaign and did so badly (Penn especially) all 3
will NOT - repeat NOT be working with her this time. So they will have nothing to do with 2016 at all.
Of that we can all applaud.
Hopefully Hillary will have either officially or unofficially, Plouffe and Axelrod working with her during the general election season
and like they did with President Obama, get every single person out to the polls no matter the obstacle.
Every true President Obama and Hillary supporter knows this-the only thing that can stop the democratic party from winning in 2016
is fracture.
No true democratic supporter wants to lose in 2016.
The only people who would not want the democratic party to win in 2016, are the ones who will be campaigning against the democratic party and hoping the republican party gets into office.
I am sure, as President Obama says, we should all dwell on FORWARD and not replay any negativity from the 2008 race.
Because surely, together BOTH contestants from 2008 will be President.
And, in retrospect, Hillary will have the ability to be president without a lot of the crap President Obama has had to go through.
It all would have(in different ways of course) been similliar had HIllary won.
Instead of the overt and covert racism, it would have been sexism.
But in 2016, it will be such a landslide, and with the senate being very easily in 2016 able to win a landslide for the democratic party based on who is running then (the 1/3 seats running (as opposed to 2014 when chance has made it harder based on which of the 1/3 is running again), come 2017, the democratic party will have all 3 branches, and most likely
in 2017 or 2018, the US Supreme Court will have that game changing seat open and the democratic party will again have a court
that is 5 to 4 for, instead of 5 to 4 against.
(figuring the next two Obama appointments will be status equal appointments for a retiring Ginsberg(2015) and Breyer.)
The ones after shall be the game changers.