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babylonsister

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Thu Apr 25, 2024, 10:10 PM Apr 25

ALITO: Immunity for Exiting Presidents is Justified as They Might Cling to Power in Response. WHAT? [View all]


ALITO: Immunity for Exiting Presidents is Justified as They Might Cling to Power in Response. WHAT?
Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:43:15p EDT
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“A stable, democratic society requires that a candidate who loses an election, even a close one, even a hotly contested one, leave office peacefully,” said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr., who added that if a president fears prosecution after they leave office, it could encourage to try to cling to power.

A criminal prosecution of Trump could "lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country as a democracy," he said.


So — let me get this straight: Alito is making the argument that an ex-President should never be charged with a crime they committed...because (gasp!) they’ll “fear prosecution” (yes, that tends to happen with criminals who are indicted with crimes — they usually aren’t happy about it)...and “cling to power” — meaning that they’ll refuse to leave office and engage in insurrection — and THAT’s the logic for not charging an ex-President for crimes they committed? That we should never hold ex-Presidents accountable for their CRIMES because they might commit the crime of insurrection because they’re BUMMED about being indicted?

Huh. That’s odd, because I always thought that NOT holding those in power accountable for their crimes is what leads to fascism. I must have been reading the WRONG CONSTITUTION.

Not to mention the obvious fact that there is no precedent of a U.S. president engaging in insurrection before Trump, therefore employing the specter of insurrection as a tool to *not prosecute for insurrection* (or any other crime committed), is Ionesco-level absurd, as it not only implies that every future president would be as insane as Trump — but that every *past* President, as well, was so fragile that they were just a broken tea-cup away from engaging in insurrection.

Alito here is not only justifying both immunity AND the insurrection by surreally blaming “fear of prosecution” (hey, Trump just engaged in insurrection because he didn’t want to be prosecuted for his crimes, so let’s just not indict ex-Presidents — see: citizens — for crimes they’ve committed anymore; problem solved!) he’s essentially making the argument that NOBODY who’s been in power should ever be prosecuted for crimes they committed when they’re about to leave their position because they might commit more crimes to prevent being prosecuted.

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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/4/25/2237269/-Samuel-Alito-Immunity-for-Ex-Presidents-is-Justified-Because-They-ll-Cling-to-Power-Wait-WHAT
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A corrupt political hack too lazy to come up with believable lies. Irish_Dem Apr 25 #1
He and they sound so dumb. Why is that acceptable to them? babylonsister Apr 25 #2
It tells us they do not care what the public thinks of them. Irish_Dem Apr 25 #3
Are we sure they aren't huffing glue in their offices at this point? littlemissmartypants Apr 25 #10
Drug or alcohol use would not surprise me. Irish_Dem Apr 26 #24
Heads I win tails you lose Ponietz Apr 25 #4
Well, at least he said trump should have left office peacefully. Then, Alito got all trumpy. Silent Type Apr 25 #5
Wouldn't a better argument be that the fear of prosecution might deter a president Ocelot II Apr 25 #6
It Didn't Deter Trump DallasNE Apr 26 #17
That is the way most normal people would look at crime vs. punishment. Alito's view TeamProg Apr 26 #22
Makes about as much sense as his reason for dismantling Roe. Deuxcents Apr 25 #7
Immunity for Corrupt USSC Justices is Justified just BECAUSE: Alito PufPuf23 Apr 25 #8
That's reaching the bottom of the barrel for excuses to support him KS Toronado Apr 25 #9
Mockalito is stupid, insane, and unfit. Hermit-The-Prog Apr 25 #11
He sounds so stupid. What the fack ...is he drunk? On drugs? littlemissmartypants Apr 25 #12
Well they can always make the ruling apply to trump. Turbineguy Apr 25 #13
Irony is dead Diraven Apr 26 #14
That's why I think he's just trolling us... Think. Again. Apr 26 #27
I spent hours...... lastlib Apr 26 #15
Lawyer Brigade will explain how this makes sense Prairie Gates Apr 26 #16
"self-pardon" should also be invalid moondust Apr 26 #18
May all involved receive everything they deserve. niyad Apr 26 #19
Alito should be impeached for his Ilsa Apr 26 #20
That's just nuts. nt TeamProg Apr 26 #21
Absolute horseshit budkin Apr 26 #23
Alito is a raving RW lunatic malaise Apr 26 #25
I'm beginning to think Alito is just trolling the public... Think. Again. Apr 26 #26
You may be right Just_Vote_Dem Apr 26 #29
There Would Be A Slice Of Logic There... ProfessorGAC Apr 26 #28
Does he have a brain disorder? How anyone can consider that swill as a reason to Autumn Apr 26 #30
That's precisely what I've been thinking Mossfern Apr 26 #39
They are so off base. I have known mentally challenged people that have more reasoning skills Autumn Apr 26 #41
Sammy Alito has always wanted to be a Wartime Consigliere Kid Berwyn Apr 26 #31
Hey, Ali, baby! Trying to cement your position as the worst judge of the worst SCOTUS in American History? Wonder Why Apr 26 #32
OK. It appears Alito is now cognitively impaired. Get him off the bench. Martin68 Apr 26 #33
You see here, the whole fucking problem is bluestarone Apr 26 #34
He must really suck at chess. eShirl Apr 26 #35
I thought SCOTUS wa supposed to rule Progressive dog Apr 26 #36
Presidents are people. What holds for Presidents should hold for peopl, soldierant Apr 26 #37
I've got nothing... Faux pas Apr 26 #38
Jockeying for position EndlessWire Apr 26 #40
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