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ALITO: Immunity for Exiting Presidents is Justified as They Might Cling to Power in Response. WHAT?
Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:43:15p EDT
Munchausen
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A criminal prosecution of Trump could "lead us into a cycle that destabilizes the functioning of our country as a democracy," he said.
So let me get this straight: Alito is making the argument that an ex-President should never be charged with a crime they committed...because (gasp!) theyll fear prosecution (yes, that tends to happen with criminals who are indicted with crimes they usually arent happy about it)...and cling to power meaning that theyll refuse to leave office and engage in insurrection and THATs the logic for not charging an ex-President for crimes they committed? That we should never hold ex-Presidents accountable for their CRIMES because they might commit the crime of insurrection because theyre BUMMED about being indicted?
Huh. Thats odd, because I always thought that NOT holding those in power accountable for their crimes is what leads to fascism. I must have been reading the WRONG CONSTITUTION.
Not to mention the obvious fact that there is no precedent of a U.S. president engaging in insurrection before Trump, therefore employing the specter of insurrection as a tool to *not prosecute for insurrection* (or any other crime committed), is Ionesco-level absurd, as it not only implies that every future president would be as insane as Trump but that every *past* President, as well, was so fragile that they were just a broken tea-cup away from engaging in insurrection.
Alito here is not only justifying both immunity AND the insurrection by surreally blaming fear of prosecution (hey, Trump just engaged in insurrection because he didnt want to be prosecuted for his crimes, so lets just not indict ex-Presidents see: citizens for crimes theyve committed anymore; problem solved!) hes essentially making the argument that NOBODY whos been in power should ever be prosecuted for crimes they committed when theyre about to leave their position because they might commit more crimes to prevent being prosecuted.
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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/4/25/2237269/-Samuel-Alito-Immunity-for-Ex-Presidents-is-Justified-Because-They-ll-Cling-to-Power-Wait-WHAT
Irish_Dem
(47,510 posts)babylonsister
(171,102 posts)Beggars belief.
Irish_Dem
(47,510 posts)They don't even care enough to cover up their corruption and lack of work ethic.
They live a life of luxury on billionaire bribes and have lifetime job security.
It is a big F you to the American people.
littlemissmartypants
(22,839 posts)JESIZ FACKIN KRYST!!
Irish_Dem
(47,510 posts)These rigid repressed types usually need something to get them through the day.
Ponietz
(3,034 posts)Despicable
Silent Type
(3,005 posts)Ocelot II
(115,894 posts)from committing crimes in the first place?
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Nor did it deter Nixon. But it did deter the other 43 Presidents before Trump. The Ford pardon of Nixon now looms large - and it was only a matter of time.
TeamProg
(6,289 posts)doesnt demand accountability.
What a weirdo. I guess weve known that.
Deuxcents
(16,353 posts)Alito cited Sir Matthew Hale 6-7 times from his writings in the 17th century around 1673. Hale had a hand in securing executions of two women as witches, wrote about marital rape exemptions. Where he gets his conclusions for issues that dont address 21st century problems is frightening.
PufPuf23
(8,843 posts)USSC needs to be expanded for practical reasons.
The corrupt members of the USSC need to be removed first.
There needs to be the political path to appoint competent and fair justices.
Suggest no more lifetime terms but 20 year terms.
Our legal system is an ongoing crime scene.
There is spectacle on TV and rot in our communities.
KS Toronado
(17,364 posts)And makes absolutely no sense at all.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,480 posts)littlemissmartypants
(22,839 posts)Turbineguy
(37,373 posts)If he gets elected, he'll be prez for life and he can always change it.
Diraven
(536 posts)Does he not see the irony in saying that Trump should have immunity for precisely for the crime of trying to illegally stay in office, or else presidents will try to illegally stay in office?
Think. Again.
(8,524 posts)He knows they won't make any kind of serious decision on this, that they are just delaying it all for trump, and so none of it matters to him.
lastlib
(23,320 posts)looking for that argument in the Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, but I couldn't find it. I KNOW it's in there somewhere........maybe in Volume 5?*
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(*there IS no Vol. 5 of the Records)
Sammy, you're just a friggin' IDIOT!
Prairie Gates
(1,070 posts)moondust
(20,016 posts)as it would have the same effect as "total immunity" in potentially "turning the Oval Office into the seat of criminal activity in this country, as so well stated by Justice KBJ.
This immunity case is a complete farce.
niyad
(113,602 posts)Ilsa
(61,705 posts)fear-mongering, manipulative idiocy.
TeamProg
(6,289 posts)budkin
(6,722 posts)Cynical fascist MFer!
malaise
(269,212 posts)Smelvis already tried to cling to power after losing.
Think. Again.
(8,524 posts)...with some of the idiocies he's spewed during this hearing.
Just_Vote_Dem
(2,820 posts)He is not answerable to anyone, he knows Congress will never impeach him, so he can spew nonsense.
ProfessorGAC
(65,237 posts)...if not for the part about TFG doing EXACTLY what Alito fears BEFORE he was indicted.
So, the motivation for J6 wasn't to avoid prosecution.
The crimes were committed in an effort to cling to power!
So, the slice of logic doesn't even apply to TFG.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)give a person immunity from any crimes they have committed is severely damaged and/or mentally ill.
Mossfern
(2,570 posts)Is there any vehicle to determine if a Supreme Court judge is competent?
I think these guys have been slipped some mind altering drugs.
Trump's attorney too.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)and are capable of making much more sense than these creatures.
Kid Berwyn
(14,990 posts)And he works for Barzini (After all, we are not Communists.)
Wonder Why
(3,274 posts)Martin68
(22,907 posts)I mean, Alito is saying that if we deny a presidential criminal immunity he or she might commit a crime, so we must give them immunity to avoid more crimes. this guy should lose his law license at the very least.
bluestarone
(17,063 posts)These crazy fucking SC judges can say and do ANYTHING!! These fuckers know they are untouchable!!
eShirl
(18,505 posts)Progressive dog
(6,921 posts)on what the Constitution says. What else can we expect from someone who finds judicial precedent in the rulings of witch hunters.
soldierant
(6,938 posts)psychologically speaking.
So what he is saying is that punishment encourages recidivism.
So, according to Alito, we should throw everyone who is in prison out, in order to reduce recidivism?
Faux pas
(14,696 posts)EndlessWire
(6,573 posts)The more they open their mouths, the less respect they get. He's trying angles on which he can hang an opinion to safeguard Trump. That is the most absurd thing I have heard of since...yesterday...