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In reply to the discussion: Half of us think Israel is bad. Half of us think Hamas and Palestinians [View all]lapfog_1
(29,254 posts)take Israel / Hamas war. you want Israel to simply stop with the Gaza invasion, withdraw the IDF and stop bombing. OK. The military and political leaders of Hamas have vowed to repeat the actions of Oct 7th. Their stated intention is actual Genocide against Israel. And the Palestinian supporters that chant "From the River to the Sea, Palestine shall be free" are joining with Hamas in that sentiment. No two state solution but a single state of Palestine... with all of Israel given to Palestinians and the Jewish people there "gone" (either killed or removed).
So, what happens when Hamas launches the next rocket or stages the next invasion? Also would you allow the people that killed and raped over a 1000 innocent Jewish people to go free?
As for Ukraine / Russia... again, nice to hope for peace. But would you allow Russia to keep all of the territory it annexed from Ukraine in the invasion? What will you do when Russia attacks again even if "peace" is established. In the last 2 days Putin has stated that his goals ( whatever they are ) have not yet been achieved in Ukraine. Will you tell the people of Ukraine in the conquered territory that "too bad, you are now part of Russia"... and what about the 1000s of children of Ukraine kidnapped by Russians and sent to orphanages or forced into adoption by Russians. Too bad, your children are just gone now? Do you think Putin will just return them, no problem?
Some wars are worth fighting. WW1 and WW2 are good examples. Other good examples are The Civil War and The Revolutionary War. and the War of 1812 (really a continuation of the Revolutionary War).
I'm on the fence about the Korean War and the Gulf War.
Totally against the Spanish American War, the Vietnam War, and the Iraq War.
As bad as they are, the Ukraine Freedom War and the destroy Hamas war are worth fighting because declaring "peace" is not likely to stop the war and is unfair to the two combatants trying to stop the other side from killing all of its citizens ( Israel and Ukraine ).