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In reply to the discussion: NYT covering Hillary Clinton's "deplorables" remark vs NYT covering Donald Trump's "vermin" remark. [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(145,828 posts)96. Laypersons are so very amusing when they are confronted with facts
Thank you for the laughs. I live in the real world where facts matter. The fact that you approve of the NYT's ignoring TFG imitating Hitler and Mussolini amuses me. Ignoring facts will not make these facts go away. The NYT and other supporters are ignoring the similarities of TFG and Hitler
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You have expressed your opinion on TFG imitating Hitler. However in the real world the opinion of a layperson with no expertise in the relevant field is given no weight and would not be admissible in court under the Rules of Evidence. I live in the real world where facts and the opinions of experts matter. Ruth Ben Ghiat is an actual expert in this field and this expert disagrees with your unsupported claim.
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https://lucid.substack.com/p/trump-really-doesnt-want-you-to-call
If you've read the news lately, you'll know that Trump went to New Hampshire on Veterans Day and delivered a news-making speech that included a "pledge" to "root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections. ....
As a historian of autocracy with a specialization in Italian Fascism, the use of the "vermin" image got my attention. Mussolini used similar language in his 1927 Ascension Day speech which laid out Fascism's intention to subject leftists and others to "prophylaxis" measures to defend the Italian state and society from their nefarious influences.
By the time Il Duce delivered this landmark address, the dictatorship had been in place for two years, and opposition politicians and the press were in prison or had gone into exile. That did not stop him from talking about killing "rodents who carry infectious diseases from the East: the East that brings us lovely things, such as yellow fever and Bolshevism."
Mussolini loved to make jokes in his speeches to Parliament, and this one elicited laughter or so says the official transcript. He is speaking about actual rats but, as the Bolshevism comment makes clear, also about Communists. We remove these individuals from circulation just like a doctor does with an infected person, he concluded chillingly about leftists and other targeted categories of people.
Trump's recent comment about undocumented immigrants "polluting the blood of our country" is in the same vein, as are the ideas circulating among his 2025 advance team to deport millions of immigrants and "quarantine" others in massive camps.
As a historian of autocracy with a specialization in Italian Fascism, the use of the "vermin" image got my attention. Mussolini used similar language in his 1927 Ascension Day speech which laid out Fascism's intention to subject leftists and others to "prophylaxis" measures to defend the Italian state and society from their nefarious influences.
By the time Il Duce delivered this landmark address, the dictatorship had been in place for two years, and opposition politicians and the press were in prison or had gone into exile. That did not stop him from talking about killing "rodents who carry infectious diseases from the East: the East that brings us lovely things, such as yellow fever and Bolshevism."
Mussolini loved to make jokes in his speeches to Parliament, and this one elicited laughter or so says the official transcript. He is speaking about actual rats but, as the Bolshevism comment makes clear, also about Communists. We remove these individuals from circulation just like a doctor does with an infected person, he concluded chillingly about leftists and other targeted categories of people.
Trump's recent comment about undocumented immigrants "polluting the blood of our country" is in the same vein, as are the ideas circulating among his 2025 advance team to deport millions of immigrants and "quarantine" others in massive camps.
I agree with Professor Ben-Ghiat that" The NYT is becoming resolutely and consistently pro-Trump and anti-democracy in its headlines."
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To summarize the material set forth above, you are WRONG yet again.
There are a good number of other experts who agree with Professor Ben-Ghiat on this issue. Professor Tribe is yet another expert and his opinion makes me smile.
In the real world, the opinion of a true expert is given a great deal of weight while the opinion without any support of a laypers is NOT given any weight.
Again, thank you for the laughs.
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NYT covering Hillary Clinton's "deplorables" remark vs NYT covering Donald Trump's "vermin" remark. [View all]
tenderfoot
Nov 2023
OP
u forgot one thing if it blows up coverup , lie , cheat , steal . distract. go sputter sputt sputt
AllaN01Bear
Nov 2023
#66
If a Democrat pol is speaking and there are no media types listening or paying...
thenelm1
Nov 2023
#77
FWIW, I've lived long enough to agree with you 100% about the NYT. It's always the "Judas" of the 'liberal' media.
keopeli
Nov 2023
#30
As you suggest, the NYT has a history of blindering the reading public, e.g. during the holocaust
PTL_Mancuso
Nov 2023
#67
Oh Yeah, NYT? Why the Hell Don't you Tell Us What "Direction" that ii is and What he said Or
Cha
Nov 2023
#53
And here's the New Republic also calling out Trump's use of the term and pointing out how it's "straight-up Nazi talk."
LetMyPeopleVote
Nov 2023
#52
Twitter is a platform that distributes content, not a content creator like the NYT
Celerity
Nov 2023
#57
The Washington Post has the correct headline while the NYT tries to protect TFG
LetMyPeopleVote
Nov 2023
#48
Jarringly illogical: You blame the DNC for NYT's blatantly biased headlines.
Hermit-The-Prog
Nov 2023
#73
Thank you for the laughs. Laypersons are amusing when they attempt to argue
LetMyPeopleVote
Nov 2023
#90
If this is how you operate in the "real world", I would be curious what world that is.
NCIndie
Nov 2023
#92
Both headlines appear accurate to me. Are we suggesting the Times should have reported that the DNC "pounced" on
Martin68
Nov 2023
#21
The Washington Post makes the original header at the New York Times sound almost surreal
LetMyPeopleVote
Nov 2023
#42
Trump calls political enemies 'vermin,' echoing dictators Hitler, Mussolini
LetMyPeopleVote
Nov 2023
#49
"Vermin". That is one of the same words that Hitler used against the Jews...
DemocraticPatriot
Nov 2023
#50