NYT covering Hillary Clinton's "deplorables" remark vs NYT covering Donald Trump's "vermin" remark.

[tenderfoot]

Hillary:


FTG:

[aocommunalpunch]

1. What should you do with trash?

Do that with these fascist-enabling fucks.

[NCIndie]

2. The story about HRC was "the GOP pounces"

Maybe if the DNC actually had a pulse and got in front of the coverage, the NYT might have something to talk about.

[Cha]

4. Oh Yesh Blame this Shit on the "DNC".

[NCIndie]

8. Ok, you tell us -- what was the DNCs pronouncement on this?

Every disgusting thing Trump says is reported. Did this comment somehow rise above everything else he has said?

It is all too easy to blame the MSM or the NYT for every perceived slight (real and imagined) and to wait for the mandatory applause from the like minded. It’s like an echo that never dissipates.

[Cha]

11. Yeah I Blame the Fucking NYT For this Endless Comvering

For trump SHIT.

I don't give them a Fucking Pass.

[NCIndie]

12. Who knew?

[Cha]

13. Fuck the NYT.

[lapucelle]

14. The pronouncements and finger pointing seem to be a constant.

[Cha]

17. No kidding.

[AllaN01Bear]

66. u forgot one thing if it blows up coverup , lie , cheat , steal . distract. go sputter sputt sputt

[thenelm1]

77. If a Democrat pol is speaking and there are no media types listening or paying...

attention, does he or she make a sound?

[keopeli]

30. FWIW, I've lived long enough to agree with you 100% about the NYT. It's always the "Judas" of the 'liberal' media.

[Cha]

41. It's Worth a lot.. anyone who knows

the History of the NYT and Doesn't try to cover for them is Welcome!

Thank You.. this didn't just start for me, either.. I was there when they Pounded the Drums for the War on Iraq.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

62. It's easy to blame them

Because it's true.

What part of reality are you failing to grasp?

This is the newspaper that has regurgitated every single traitor trash party lie about Democrats--for decades now. They were the biggest shite-stirrers about Whitewater, Filegate, Troopergate, Travelgate.

They were the biggest cheerleaders for the Iraq War--and were active collaborators in spewing up the nonsense about Iraq having chemical weapons via their shill Judith Miller.

Al Gore couldn't even breathe without them finding fault with him. Literally. Did you forget their rubbish scandal about his 'sighing?'

They were the ones who gave credence to the Swift Boat lies about Kerry, and jumped right in, both feet, to funnel all the lies about Obama being born in Kenya, his tan suit, and the mustard on his burgers.

And don't even get me started on Hillary. They trashed her and blasted every single lie about her across their front pages, every chance they could--Benghazi, the emails, the uranium nonsense. They were *THE PRIMARY SOURCE* repeating the known lie called 'Clinton Cash.'

Worse, the rest of the media almost always follows suit because the NYT almost always dictates the all-powerful 'narrative.'

And you think we have no basis for considering them traitors who are bootlickers to the 1% who want dominion over us all--when that's exactly what they are?

Pull the other one, mate, because unlike you, we've been paying attention to their non-stop attempt to tear down Democrats.

WAKE THE BLOODY FUCK UP.

[PTL_Mancuso]

67. As you suggest, the NYT has a history of blindering the reading public, e.g. during the holocaust

There are numerous sources available on the Times burying or skimpy page 18 reporting on the Final Solution. Here is but one: [link:https://teachingamericanhistory.org/blog/silence-in-the-storm-the-new-york-times-coverage-of-the-holocaust-during-wwii/|

I will admit to having read, over the years, very many good and great articles and essays there, but their political reporting (including those op-eds where we learn why we need to drop bombs on certain people and why we'd like to have a beer with "W&quot is not to be trusted.

[Skittles]

78. LOL

you're saying Trump is excused because, well, he is vile ALL THE TIME......maybe the NYT could cover THAT

[mercuryblues]

25. This is whay he wrote on his site, truth social

In honor of our great Veterans on Veteran’s Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our Country, lie, steal, and cheat on Elections, and will do anything possible, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America, and the American Dream. The threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, and grave, than the threat from within. Despite the hatred and anger of the Radical Left Lunatics who want to destroy our Country, we will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

I will not link to the post.

Pray tell, how are Clinton's comments comparable to trump's post? Why are you trying to deflect the issue?

[NCIndie]

34. This thread and my post are not about comparing the two comments

The discussion is about the headlines in the NYT.

[mercuryblues]

40. The OP literally freaking

compares the headlines on how the NYT covered the 2 statements.

BTW Trump's speech was much worse than his TS post. But according to the NYT's that just a "Very different Direction."

[Cha]

53. Oh Yeah, NYT? Why the Hell Don't you Tell Us What "Direction" that ii is and What he said Or

Are you Too Busy Covering UP for the traitor who hates the Military?!!!

TY Rec.

[mercuryblues]

64. exactly

They reported on the vile things he said. Under the headline that it a very different direction. I mean WTF? The shit he said was full on Fascism. Right out of the Nazi playbook.

Not just the NYT, what about all the other media, they should be covering this shit and calling it what it is. Nazism. Where are they?

They covered Cliton's "deplorable" statement for days. This, this nadda.

[Cha]

79. Rec!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

52. And here's the New Republic also calling out Trump's use of the term and pointing out how it's "straight-up Nazi talk."

It seems that the NYT is one of the few so-called media outlets that is ignoring the facts about TFG's comments. I am amused that anyone would defend the NYT on this.

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If you like being poorly informed, then continue to follow the NYT. I cancelled my subscription to the NYT back in 2016 and this story shows that this was a great decision

[keopeli]

32. IMO, that's not how the NYT operates.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

33. There is a clear pattern on the coverage of stories by the NYT

Ignoring the difference in coverage for stories attacking Hillary Clinton and stories unfavorable to TFG will not make these FACTS go away. The NYT treats Democrats very differently in the real world compared to repugs. I have a ton of FACTS and examples supporting this FACT.

For example, DeathSantis refused to meet with President Biden following a natural disaster and the NYT had an amusing spin

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[NCIndie]

36. Release the hounds! Paste the Tweets!

It’s a tad ironic how the NYT is held up as so awful, but Twitter is presented as solid research.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

43. Ignoring facts will NOT make these facts go away

I am a former college debater and a member of the bar. In the real world, one uses facts to support their arguments or claims. I am amused that some posters are unable to deal with facts and are unable to support their arguments. In the real world, the opinions of non-experts are given no weight.

Here are some more examples of biased coverage by the NYT that can be ignored or not dealt with.

The NYT and Haberman were determined to elect TFG and carried this story for an unreal number of times

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Compare the NYT treatment of Clinton to how Haberman and the NYT treats TFG

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The above examples are NOT responsible reporting.

I do not want to be poorly informed by a rag that worked hard to elect TFG and is now trying to re-elect TFG. I cancelled my subscription to the NYT back in 2016. The NYT does not fairly report the issues and the NYT and Maggie Haberman helped elect TFG.

The OP is yet another example of biased coverage by the NYT

[Cha]

54. REC TY!

[Celerity]

57. Twitter is a platform that distributes content, not a content creator like the NYT

There are good sources and bad sources on Twitter

[inthewind21]

68. Exactly

[lame54]

38. GOP pounces is news?...

That's all they ever do

Good thing she wasn't wearing a tan suit or eating Grey Poupon

[LetMyPeopleVote]

48. The Washington Post has the correct headline while the NYT tries to protect TFG

The NYT hides the truth and the Washington Post covers the facts.

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I enjoy using facts in these discussions

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

61. This is stupid

1) The DNC isn't responsible for responding to things like this. Good grief, do you have even one bloody clue what they *do*?

2) Even if every Democrat 'got out in front of it,' whatever the bloody F that means, the NYT would not have covered it. The traitor media, especially the NYT, does not do that. They've been ignoring Democrats or reporting anything favorable about them, for decades now.

You'd know that if you'd stop blaming Democrats for everything, rather than recognizing the real problem.

[NCIndie]

63. BLOODY COMPELLING FUCKING ARGUMENT!

I’M REALLY BLOODY FUCKING CONVINCED.

not

When you are convinced of the conclusion before the discussion starts, discussion is pointless.

Just ask the Trumpies.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

70. That's how you do it! Thank you @Forbes

This is not a pointless discussion. We have one supposed publication who will NOT discuss the fact that TFG is quoting and imitating NAZIs

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[Hermit-The-Prog]

73. Jarringly illogical: You blame the DNC for NYT's blatantly biased headlines.

Extrapolating, I would guess you blame the DNC for the J6 insurrection, too.

[NCIndie]

74. I think I understand your problem with logic

You assume from the outset that the NYT's lack of hysteria over Trump's use of the word "vermin" signifies "blatant bias." In other words, you begin with the conclusion and look for justification for your bias. That's faulty logic. Rather, if you feel that the the NYT needs to blaze a headline about a word, give them something to talk about, just as the GOP did.

And, please, Trump calling those who oppose him "vermin" is bad, and the coincidence with Hitler's rhetoric makes it worse. But, my god, it wasn't the worse thing he said this week.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

81. Do you ever tire of being WRONG?

Hillary Clinton's deplorable comment is NOT equivalent in the real world to TFG using the same language as Hitler and other dictators.

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[NCIndie]

82. I never equated the two. That was done in the OP and not by me.

That makes you wrong. Does that bother you?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

83. Again you seem to like being WRONG

The false equivalence is being done by TFG supporters and the NYT. You seem to like that rag and has defended the NYT as being a reputable source of information. Every other major reputable paper have called out TFG for using Nazi slogans. The NYT and TFG supporters are okay with this.

It is okay for TFG to be spouting off Nazi slogans? Do you approve of these slogans? Why are you defending the NYT? Should a real newspaper call out the use of this language?

Here are some more facts on this issue

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See also

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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-scarborough-and-jon-meacham-directly-equate-trumps-vermin-speech-to-nazism-opens-the-door-to-ghastly-crimes/

Joe Scarborough and Jon Meacham sounded the alarm Monday morning when they equated campaign rhetoric from former President Donald Trump to fascist rulers of the 1930s and “the Third Reich.”

During a weekend rally, Trump reiterated his Veterans Day pledge he posted on Truth Social that read: “In honor of our great Veterans on Veteran’s (sic) Day, we pledge to you that we will root out the Communists, Marxists, Fascists, and Radical Left Thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country, lie, steal, and cheat on Elections, and will do anything possible, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America, and the American dream.”

Monday’s Morning Joe aired several of Trump’s more unhinged rants, ending with this comment, which led Scarborough to react in a manner that pleases the viewers that tune in for his keen anti-Trump insights.

Again, I urge you to re-read this thread and explain to us why the NYT thinks that there is an equivalence here? If possible, try using some facts and do not rely on your non-expert opinion on these issues.

[NCIndie]

84. Interesting. Now you want me to explain something I NEVER said?

Sorry, I don't play that.

As for this: "Every other major reputable paper have called out TFG for using Nazi slogans. The NYT and TFG supporters are okay with this." First, the word in common between Trump and Hitler in this discussion is "vermin."
This is Trump's quote:

“The radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country.”

And here is Hitler's:

“Nature is cruel; therefore we are also entitled to be cruel. When I send the flower of German youth into the steel hail of the next war without feeling the slightest regret over the precious German blood that is being spilled, should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?”

Those two comments barely similar -- the only commonality is a single word. If you think that the NYT is obligated to get into a lather over the very false equivalency of these two quotes, I challenge you to explain why.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

90. Thank you for the laughs. Laypersons are amusing when they attempt to argue

As I mentioned before, I live in the real world. In the real world one relies of facts to support their conclusions and the opinions of experts. The opinion of a non-expert or layperson is not given any weight and under the rules of evidence a non-expert would not be allowed to testify about their opinions on an issue.

I was amused by your opinion that "Those two comments barely similar -- the only commonality is a single word." Since I live in the real world, I will rely on the opinions on actual experts such as historians who have studied Fascism, Hitler and his ilk. While a non-expert may not think that these statements are not equivalent, the actual experts have a very different opinion. I trust the opinions of experts over the speculation of non-experts.

Historians are very clear of the equivalence of TFG's statements to the opinions of Hitler and other fascists. Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a historian at New York University is a clear expert on fascism. I really enjoy Professor Ben-Ghiat's appearances on MSNBC and other programs.

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The Washington Post article cited earlier on this thread have other experts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/12/trump-rally-vermin-political-opponents/

“The language is the language that dictators use to instill fear,” said Timothy Naftali, a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs. “When you dehumanize an opponent, you strip them of their constitutional rights to participate securely in a democracy because you’re saying they’re not human. That’s what dictators do.”.....

Domingo Garcia, president of the League of United Latin American Citizens, the oldest Hispanic civil rights group in the country, said at the time that Trump’s comments about blood indicate his language is “getting more extreme,” comparing it to Nazi propaganda about Jewish people.

Other historians agree.

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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-compares-political-opponents-vermin-root-alarming-historians/story?id=104847748

The comments received immediate pushback, both from critics who have long challenged Trump's habit of attacking others with hyperbolic insults and from historians who said his latest remarks had an unsettling resemblance to those of infamous authoritarians.

"Please tell us if this reminds you of any earlier historical figure," NBC's presidential historian Michael Beschloss wrote on X.

"It doesn't echo 'Mein Kampf.' This is textbook 'Mein Kampf,'" Yale University professor Jason Stanley, author of "How Fascism Works," said about Trump's comments on MSNBC. Stanley was referring to a book published by Hitler before his rise to power.

"Trump's comments are remarkably evocative particularly of Hitler's rants against Marxists and socialists -- Hitler also decried pro-democratic forces as Marxist," Stanley told ABC News.

"In another regard, this is worse than Nazi propaganda," he said. "Bear in mind that there was actually a communist anti-democratic threat in Europe in the 1920s and '30s, and there is none in America today."

John Meacham agrees

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trumps-campaign-respond-vermin-1234876758/

The speech prompted reactions from historians, including John Meacham, who said Monday on MSNBC’s Morning Joe that Trump is “lifting” rhetoric from Mussolini and other historic fascists. “And from the Third Reich, and using the 1930s as an example of anything is a fraught enterprise,” Meacham added. “Because to call your opponent vermin, to dehumanize them, is to not only open the door, but to walk through the door toward the most ghastly kinds of crimes.”

See also
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/joe-scarborough-and-jon-meacham-directly-equate-trumps-vermin-speech-to-nazism-opens-the-door-to-ghastly-crimes/

“And from the Third Reich!” Meacham interjected, adding, “And we’re using the 1930s as an example of anything is a fraught enterprise…” to which Scarborough interrupted with polite pushback. “John, it used to be. I think we can, at this point, bear with what he has shown us. Well, it’s not so fraught anymore when you have a guy that, again, praising violence…praising violence against Paul Pelosi, praising dictators, Prabowo Xi, Kim Jong Un. In this case, he praises a guy who despises Western democracy bond. I think we can talk about the 1930s now, can’t we?”

“Okay, well, here we go. Because to call your opponents vermin and to dehumanize them is to not only open the door but to walk through the door toward the most ghastly kinds of crimes,” Meacham said, adding, “and gives me no pleasure to start off a Monday morning talking about this.”

There are more examples if need be. Again, I trust the opinions of true experts such the experts cited above over your attempt at an argument. Under the Rules of Evidence, your analysis would never be admitted in a court of law while the opinions of the experts cited above would be admitted.

Again, thank you for giving me a laugh 

[NCIndie]

92. If this is how you operate in the "real world", I would be curious what world that is.

You have twisted my words and challenged me to defend your paraphrasing. Is that part of your world? You asked the rhetorical question if I supported Hitler's and Trump's use of the word "vermin". How is that sort of insult received in your world?

I made a specific argument about Trump's exact quote, and you went elsewhere in your data dump. And somehow, you think that makes you superior. Incredible.

And, best of all, to support your claim that the NYT endorses Trump and his disgusting language because they didn't call out the word "vermin" in their headline, you gave me a quote from ABC that used nearly an identical headline as the NYT's, a follow-up story from Rolling Stone that was eerily similar the the NYT's follow-up, and a story from Mediaite reporting on Scarborough and Meacham reacting to Trump. This is your hardnosed, professional research? It seems you hold yourself to a very low standard.

Or maybe you simply assumed that I wouldn't read your endless dump.

Your bias against the NYT colors every word you enter. The irony is rich. Give that some thought before you once again declare yourself superior.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

96. Laypersons are so very amusing when they are confronted with facts

Thank you for the laughs. I live in the real world where facts matter. The fact that you approve of the NYT's ignoring TFG imitating Hitler and Mussolini amuses me. Ignoring facts will not make these facts go away. The NYT and other supporters are ignoring the similarities of TFG and Hitler

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You have expressed your opinion on TFG imitating Hitler. However in the real world the opinion of a layperson with no expertise in the relevant field is given no weight and would not be admissible in court under the Rules of Evidence. I live in the real world where facts and the opinions of experts matter. Ruth Ben Ghiat is an actual expert in this field and this expert disagrees with your unsupported claim.

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see also

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https://lucid.substack.com/p/trump-really-doesnt-want-you-to-call

If you've read the news lately, you'll know that Trump went to New Hampshire on Veterans Day and delivered a news-making speech that included a "pledge" to "root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections.” ....

As a historian of autocracy with a specialization in Italian Fascism, the use of the "vermin" image got my attention. Mussolini used similar language in his 1927 Ascension Day speech which laid out Fascism's intention to subject leftists and others to "prophylaxis" measures to defend the Italian state and society from their nefarious influences.

By the time Il Duce delivered this landmark address, the dictatorship had been in place for two years, and opposition politicians and the press were in prison or had gone into exile. That did not stop him from talking about killing "rodents who carry infectious diseases from the East: the East that brings us lovely things, such as yellow fever and Bolshevism."

Mussolini loved to make jokes in his speeches to Parliament, and this one elicited laughter —or so says the official transcript. He is speaking about actual rats but, as the Bolshevism comment makes clear, also about Communists. “We remove these individuals from circulation just like a doctor does with an infected person,” he concluded chillingly about leftists and other targeted categories of people.

Trump's recent comment about undocumented immigrants "polluting the blood of our country" is in the same vein, as are the ideas circulating among his 2025 advance team to deport millions of immigrants and "quarantine" others in massive camps.

I agree with Professor Ben-Ghiat that" The NYT is becoming resolutely and consistently pro-Trump and anti-democracy in its headlines."

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To summarize the material set forth above, you are WRONG yet again.

There are a good number of other experts who agree with Professor Ben-Ghiat on this issue. Professor Tribe is yet another expert and his opinion makes me smile.


In the real world, the opinion of a true expert is given a great deal of weight while the opinion without any support of a laypers is NOT given any weight.

Again, thank you for the laughs.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

86. Yeah, whatever. kthnxbye.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

97. How Trump's rhetoric compares with Hitler's

TFG is evidently a big fan of Hitler. The use of Hitler's terminology by TFG was intentional.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/13/how-trumps-rhetoric-compares-hitlers/

Trump not only likened his political opponents to “vermin” but suggested they represent a “threat from within” that is more dangerous than threats from beyond our borders. Both are themes seized upon by strongmen to foment populist movements.....

Hitler used the construct to justify the extermination of Jews and to attack Marxists, while Trump has used it more broadly to suggest that his opponents are subhuman.

“Should I not also have the right to eliminate millions of an inferior race that multiplies like vermin?” Hitler said, according to Joachim C. Fest’s biography.

“The rats that poison our body-politic gnaw from the hearts and memories of the broad masses even that little which distress and misery have left,” Hitler wrote in “Mein Kampf,” according a translation published by Project Gutenberg.....

As Hitler historian Max Domarus recalled in his book “The Essential Hitler”:

Hitler’s argument for this monstrous crime was quite simple: Jews, like Russians, were not human. They were “animals and beasts.” If valuable men had to die each day at the front, then it was really of no consequence if such vermin like the Jews were killed. They were no different from “tuberculosis bacilli.” If such “innocent natural creatures as rabbits and deer” had to die, then why should “the beasts, who want to bring us Bolshevism, be spared?”

[senseandsensibility]

3. Many say that the corporate media IS covering cheato's dangerous

comments. But they are doing so neutrally. The above example is a good one. Now is not time for neutrality. But I guess they are covering their you know what, and they can say look we DID cover it!!

[erronis]

15. Careful with that "Many say", Eugene.

That's the orang-anus's favorite way of not having to cite even 1 of the "many" - let alone actually ever present any real testable facts. NEVER.

[senseandsensibility]

18. Wow. I can honestly say that I have NEVER been compared to cheato

by anyone. Oh well, there's a first time for everything. I would be offended, but I don't value your opinion enough for that. I guess rude bullshit is your thing.

[yardwork]

20. Yeah, that was.... odd. To say the least.

I thought your post made a good point. And it wasn't remotely a "some people say" type of statement.

[senseandsensibility]

28. Thanks, yardwork!

[keopeli]

35. Many say that friendly, helpful advice is actually insulting.

[senseandsensibility]

37. Stop playing games

We have different definitions of friendly, helpful advice, obviously. When I give friendly, helpful advice I do not dismissively call a person "Eugene" and condescend to them and compare them to one of the worst people in the world. I guess you do you, but if you have something to say to me just say it instead of hiding behind cute messages to another poster.

[TwilightZone]

5. The headline I'm seeing is:

"In Veterans Day Speech, Trump Promises to ‘Root Out’ the Left"

I didn't see the one in the OP. Perhaps it was changed.

[wryter2000]

72. I hope yours is right

The other one is ridiculous.

On edit: a post below suggests the one in the OP is correct, and it was changed to what you found.

[raging moderate]

6. The word "deplorable" implies that someone is worth weeping over.

The word "vermin" implies that extermination is the only valid route.

These journalists certainly should be literate enough to know this. They obviously are avoiding honest comparisons between Donald Trump and any of his political rivals, especially those in the Democratic Party.

[H2O Man]

7. Although Hillary was 100%

correct, her statement worked against her on election day. This shows that it can be risky to speak the Truth in a sick society. The defendent communicates in a tongue the sickest understand.

[erronis]

16. But the way the (r) media handlers work, any word/phrase can be re-purposed.

I hope we don't get into the mode of only using words from a 1st grade Texas-mandated school textbook.

I'm woke. I don't mind calling them out on their lies and perversions.

[H2O Man]

19. I just got

off the phone with my older daughter. We were discussing recent media trends, and how they mold people's perceptions.

[moniss]

23. I agree that speaking truth can carry a risk to the speaker but

I believe that risk must be taken head on when you speak Truth to Power and you should always speak Truth to Power.

[H2O Man]

45. Definitely!

[TexasBushwhacker]

24. I really don't know what she thought she would gain

by saying it. It was a stupid, unforced error on her part.

[H2O Man]

46. I think it

was a reminder that politicians are human and sometimes say what is on their mind. I think that during an extended campaign, most people will have a similar moment. I think that even most republicans are human, though under-developed in a real and sad sense that puts them at risk of becoming an infectious mold in human form.

[homegirl]

29. Yes, worked agaainst her...

No, it was Putin and the Electoral College that worked against Hillary. THREE MILLION MORE VOTES JUST WASN'T ENOUGH!

[H2O Man]

47. Right.

There was a massive effort on Putin's part to damage her campaign. And I've never liked the EC, and wish it was a level playing field where the person who gets the most votes wins. That seems the best way to decide elections, though it isn't the field we compete on now.

[czarjak]

59. She had three million more votes than him.

Vlad figured out the EC by watching W & Rove steal the 2000 election.

[H2O Man]

60. Right.

One of the things that annoys me is when people say the Russian investigation was a hoax. We know that Paul Manafort was sharing campaign information with a Russian intelligence officer, which resulted in concentrated direct actions in specific areas in certain key states.

[inthewind21]

69. Why do

people keep talking about the 3 million more votes? This country has NEVER elected a president by popular vote. It's as if many are just now discovering this. Vlad didn't have to "figure it out" it's been out there for all to know since 1788! It's not like it was some big secret.

[Cha]

9. Covering for traitor..When the NYT Dragged

on Hillary Ad Nauseam..

[dalton99a]

10. Yep.

[Martin68]

21. Both headlines appear accurate to me. Are we suggesting the Times should have reported that the DNC "pounced" on

Trump’s remark? Or that the RNC did not pounce on Clinton's remark?” Clinton’s deplorable remark and Obama’s guns and bible remark were both true, and both were political mistakes. By framing Clinton’s remark in terms of the RNC reaction the times did not refute the accuracy or validity of the remark. Are you suggesting the Times should have defended Clinton's remark or failed to comment on it altogether? I see the Times defending progressives and liberals a lot more than they do those on the right. Maybe there are more important issues to get upset about.

[senseandsensibility]

22. We can agree to disagree about their characterization of Hillary's

remarks (I can see both sides), but there is no way to justify their characterization of cheato's vermin remarks. None.

[moniss]

26. Article versus article aside if you just go by the headlines

the one for Hillary immediately calls attention to a negative reference to backers of the Orange Ruski. The other headline is very benign and just references being different without any detail. They loaded the headline for Hillary so that a negative inference about her could be taken just from the headline while the same could not be said of what they did with the other headline.

[senseandsensibility]

27. Bingo!

[betsuni]

58. Yes.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

31. There is a pattern here

I I canceled my NYT subscription back during the 2016 race. The NYT went out of its way to attack Hillary Clinton on the bogus email. Lately the NYT is burying the story on TFG giving away nuclear secrets

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[llmart]

39. Perfect examples of a double standard towards the two parties.

You are correct and smart to cancel your subscription. Today's NY Times is not the NY Times of my younger days. I refuse to purchase a subscription either online or in print and have for many years.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

42. The Washington Post makes the original header at the New York Times sound almost surreal

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[redqueen]

44. I don't understand how anyone can fail to see this long running pattern

It's well documented

[LetMyPeopleVote]

49. Trump calls political enemies 'vermin,' echoing dictators Hitler, Mussolini

The Washington Post is correctly reporting this story compared the NYT which is trying to protect TFG

Link to tweet

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/12/trump-rally-vermin-political-opponents/

Former president Donald Trump denigrated his domestic opponents and critics during a Veterans Day speech Saturday, calling those on the other side of the aisle “vermin” and suggesting that they pose a greater threat to the United States than countries such as Russia, China or North Korea. That language is drawing rebuke from historians, who compared it to that of authoritarian leaders.

“We pledge to you that we will root out the communists, Marxists, fascists and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections,” Trump said toward the end of his speech, repeating his false claims that the 2020 election was stolen. “They’ll do anything, whether legally or illegally, to destroy America and to destroy the American Dream.”

Trump went on further to state: “the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous and grave than the threat from within. Our threat is from within. Because if you have a capable, competent, smart, tough leader, Russia, China, North Korea, they’re not going to want to play with us.”....

“The language is the language that dictators use to instill fear,” said Timothy Naftali, a senior research scholar at Columbia University’s School of International and Public Affairs. “When you dehumanize an opponent, you strip them of their constitutional rights to participate securely in a democracy because you’re saying they’re not human. That’s what dictators do.”

Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a historian at New York University, said in an email to The Washington Post that “calling people 'vermin’ was used effectively by Hitler and Mussolini to dehumanize people and encourage their followers to engage in violence.”

[DemocraticPatriot]

50. "Vermin". That is one of the same words that Hitler used against the Jews...

Trump been reading his bedside copy of "Mein Kamph" again, it seems....

(spelling ? I'm not a fan of that book...)

[LetMyPeopleVote]

101. Proud to be called Vermin

[bullimiami]

51. Trump is right. The failing NYT. They fail at basic journalistic integrity in their quest for the almighty dollar.

[Cha]

55. Yeah, NYT.. Where's The OUTRAGE?!!!

Link to tweet

[peggysue2]

56. Hillary Clinton was being kind

Despicable and twisted is more like it.

And the NYTs? Shameful and incredibly short-sighted. Hope those clicks are worth it.

I wonder how they'll like being the first heads to roll if Trump and his minions take power?

They should know now:

You are as vulnerable, as likely to go down as the rest of us. Even more so.

Enemies of the State. Enemies of the People.

Believe what Agent Orange says. You may think you're above it all, the elite press and smarmy editors.

You are not!

[Tom of Temecula]

65. Derp Fuhrer

[NCIndie]

75. +1

Giving this non-story (i.e., the use of one word) the gravity it deserves.

[wryter2000]

71. Jesus!

"Very different direction" is how they describe something that could have been written by Hitler, literally?

[sarcasmo]

76. High level whataboutism.

[kimbutgar]

80. More evidence the NYT is not a friend of truth and is a corporate rag

I feel like Rupert Murdoch has some money in that newspaper and some editorial control.

[SouthernDem4ever]

85. One of the reasons I dumped the NYT subscription

[maxsolomon]

88. when was that? today?

2003?

[SouthernDem4ever]

93. I don't understand your question

It wasn't today and this isn't the first time they have run a stupid headline like that.

[maxsolomon]

94. I asked when you cancelled your subscription.

DUers cancel their NYT subscriptions over and over.

[SouthernDem4ever]

95. I cancelled about a year ago

[LetMyPeopleVote]

98. I cancelled my subscription in early 2016

The whole email silliness really offended me

[maxsolomon]

87. DU's Daily NYT Hate Post is up!

They didn't put a specific word in the headline of a story that clearly discusses the word! CANCEL MY SUBSCRIPTION AGAIN!

FYI, the current version of this story on the website has this headline:

"Accused of echoing Fascists, Trump Campaign warns its Critics will be "Crushed".

The 1st sentence is:

"The former president likened political oppnents to "vermin" over the weekend, similar to the dehumanizing rhetoric wiedled by dictators like Hitler and Mussolini."

[JohnQFunk]

89. Submitted for your approval:

[LetMyPeopleVote]

99. I agree

[LetMyPeopleVote]

91. NEW from Biden-Harris campaign on Trump's latest comments

Link to tweet

[Yavin4]

100. Yet, there are some people who defend the NYT and corporate, for profit media to the death.

Even when blatant bias like this is presented before them.