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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:30 PM Original message |
Guardian: Liberal Humanitarians serve as USEFUL IDIOTS for NeoCon PNAC strategy for Libya |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
1. Looks like you've got a brackets problem [....] somewhere in your post. |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. There's a square bracket around the "s" in the word six where the strikeout line starts n/t |
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polly7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. K&R |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I too was duped at first and am now chastened. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Read Pepe Escobar at asiatimes. Some enlightening stuff. |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. We all were at the very start of the protests. The MSM is so bought in everything is slanted. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. I'm actually surprised I noticed as soon as I did. |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. After the drama of Egypt it was difficult to see the opportunistic nature of the SCAM |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. But easier if you've heard it before, like the fiftieth time some guy |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. No experience with "guys at the bar" but I was part of protest, facing riot police and army and |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Yes, that, too. n/t |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:02 AM Response to Reply #15 |
64. No, not all of us were |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #4 |
42. A lot of people were, me too. Now I feel guilty for supporting |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. What you say is so to the heart of it. Living and let live is such a precious thing |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Remarkable coincidence, UK & France had planned war games against "Southland". |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. Wow, that's interesting, I had not seen that before. |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 07:07 AM Response to Reply #58 |
67. ..." did Congress pursue it? Are they even interested in doing their duty, at all?" |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Listen to McCain and Lieberman -- they prob represent the foreign policy brains of this congress. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. EXACTLY. K&R |
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Thunderstruck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. How much longer are Russia and China going to tolerate our shit? |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. "Multipolarity" is the world's only chance right now, as far as I can tell. nt |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. Unfortunately, when world unity is really needed, China and Russia may veto cus they were burned on |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #18 |
32. we need less world unity and more division imo |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-27-11 07:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
81. What most don't realize is the BUREAUCRATIC UNITY across Presidencies - the NeoCons are deep in |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
10. K&R even though I hate that term. n/t |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. What term? K&R or NeoCon? just curious. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Useful idiots. |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. lol, oh, that one!.. i know, i hate it too. |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. It exactly describes how the progressive cheering section is being used |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
11. k&r! nt |
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a la izquierda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
16. And there were some of us who got berated... |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. That's an understatement - manhood, integrity, patriotism, morality etc questioned |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
65. Yep |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
17. America has a long and glorious history of "humanitarian" wars..assassinations..torture. |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
19. When the only definition of "intervention" allowed was military action |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. What was really weird is that the Libyan Gov was OPEN to dialog. CNN can get a visa! In contrast |
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crickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
22. Bingo. K&R |
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slay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
23. This has been my assessment as well |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
24. LOL. This ought to be interesting. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
27. kr |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
30. k & r |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
31. I have been saying this since the beginning |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. So, what do you suggest? Let Gaddafi murder thousands as he pleases? |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. What are you talking about? |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Ok. Let them die. The world is already over-populated anyway. |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. So you have no response to my point |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
56. Don't you notice that it is the "rebels" who take over towns by force, attack and kill those that |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Its their country. Urban insurrections are horrible to the citizenry and so is gov efforts to fight |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. The 'Gov'affi will kill them as soon as he'll get a tiny chance.... |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:28 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. Guess you have little knowledge of the history of the Libyan revolution |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Actually, the coup was bolstered by the CIA. |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I was in Africa at that very time. We followed it. You don't seem to know very much, unfortunately, |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:44 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. No, the US stopped the "counter-revolution" they didn't "fail to back" they purposefully... |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. OH, the US happily removed their bases?? What history are you reading? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:30 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Absolutely. |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #63 |
68. You have been smoking something. Please refer to some sources written prior to the present |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
70. I BEG you to do some background reading (see cites). The lack of knowledge is PAINFULL |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. lol, i feel your pain, and... |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 05:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Gawd! The diss-information is beyond belief. Its mind-shattering watching talking heads |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Is he threatening You or Your Family? What does Libya and who rules it have to do with you? |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Fudge it. Let that 'old europe' deal with the flood of refugees all by themselves. |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #44 |
71. There were few refuges from Libya before the insurgency -- There was massive in-migration to Libya |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Who encouraged those people to fight an unwinnable battle |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. It appears that way only to the paranoid. But let's assume it's 100% true. |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. The militant factions leading the rebellion have NO HISTORY OF WANTING DEMOCRACY |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. The innuendos are irrelevant. Are the people in Benghazi daily building democratic institutions? |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. How would we know. All information is controled at this point. We know the background of factions |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. I guess you can READ THE REPORTS in Benghazi since JOURNALISTS ARE ALLOWED FREE ACCESS. |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. The AFRICAN UNION put forward a plan for INTERNATIONALLY SUPERVISED ELECTIONS |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:28 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Why would GADDAFI support ELECTIONS for an ARMED INSURGENCY? |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:36 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Are you really UNAWARE that there was a plan in the works for ELECTIONS before the insurgency began? |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
72. For 40 year the regime has never done what you suggest. THE REBELLION IS A SCAM |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. the "rebels": |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:27 PM Response to Original message |
39. Good on David Swanson...The Guardian..! |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
43. Proud to say I was against the war in Libya before it was cool to be against it |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:07 AM Response to Original message |
61. I'm a humanitarian liberal, and I was against the intervention |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
69. k&r |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
73. Qaddafi used to be our BFF. |
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Distant Observer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Unfortunately, he insisted on maintaining a BAD EXAMPLE of financial independence |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. A Bad Example, only if you are with the IMF, Global Coprporate Predators, |
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Baclava (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
77. ho ho ho! Yes - I was called out for being a kooky isolationist for opposing this war from the start |
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