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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:42 PM Original message |
The only people Jesus was ever violent towards were the moneychangers in the temple. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. AND He was understanding of sexual "transgressions." "Let he who is......." |
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socialist_n_TN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. What would Jesus do? |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. I don't know what PTB stands for |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Powers That Be? |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
4. Gutsy .... |
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Annata4Peace (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. What Jesus? |
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Incitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Jesus existed. It's in the Bible. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Jesus the man most likely existed and his teachings |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. There is no corroborrating evidence of his historical existence outside the Bible. |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #24 |
69. Interesting. How do I know that you are real? I guess it doesn't matter |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. That's a different argument. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
21. I'm an Atheist, I think he was just a man, not the "son of God" |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:21 PM Original message |
I think he was trying to tell us we were all sons of God...that's why they killed him. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
95. +1 |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. I am a Christian and I believe he's just a man too. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
61. "Christian" by definition includes a belief in the Resurrection. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. Christian does NOT include a belief in literal resurrection. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. Jesus said lots of hateful, cruel stuff too. You are wrong |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:21 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. actually, these are the memories of a man that had died years |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:01 AM Response to Reply #80 |
88. You may be mistaken. I am not a Christian. |
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BillyJack (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 04:19 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. You're scary |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #80 |
96. Metaphors + original Aramic meanings |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:18 AM Response to Reply #61 |
83. no it doesn't. Jesus talked about gifts of the spirit and a |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:01 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I said original sin and substitutionary atonement. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 09:33 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. actually, I find the idea of an afterlife more reasonable than |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:39 PM Response to Reply #86 |
94. The doctrine of Original Sin was an invention of St. Augustine. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. So? St. Augustine invented it. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. There is some solid research that argues "he" never existed at all. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. That is an argument some make, but it's not held by |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Really? Which 'mainstream researchers'? Got a link? More to the point, which mainstream researchers |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #46 |
85. Read Eisenmann |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Most scholars accept that a man Jesus of Nazerth did exist. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:18 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. I agree. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Based on what? |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. I want to see Jesus' long form Birth Cert.! |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #54 |
65. If people want to talk about him having an objective, historical existence |
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Dogtown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 06:55 AM Response to Reply #54 |
90. HA! |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. There are millions of people who existed and no record is available |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. No, but there are biblical events that could have been independently corroborated |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:08 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Here is a quote from the Roman historian Tacitus. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:17 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. The Tacitus excerpt is a well-known forgery. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Naaaah, nobody would forge or fake anything. |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Damn you, Wikipedia. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. FWIW, until I read "The Jesus Puzzle", my opinion was the same as many here; |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. Which scholars are those? |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:00 AM Response to Reply #5 |
92. Jesus was a carpenter who told some funny stories... |
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HysteryDiagnosis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
7. An attitude he might have picked up in the Middle East perhaps. It's awful funny |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. people forget |
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Pharaoh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
9. Well he did lay waste to a fig tree once |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. He also told his mother to go fuck herself |
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KoKo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
10. We "Christians" are a a disadvantage until we can Vanquish the RW who Interprets the Teachings |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
11. Well you can always eschew borrowing if that floats your boat. |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
38. Obviously those of us who can't get credit continue to get hand-me-downs |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
44. eschew? |
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Brickbat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
13. When I was in CCD, I remember when the nun told us that Mary was the only person who had never |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
14. And Jesus was betrayed by Judas, keeper of the purse. Even God incarnate couldn't trust them. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. ......Who is 'them'? |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
36. *eyes wife suspiciously* |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
16. Technically, according to the story, Jesus was violent against the moneychanger's stuff, |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. That's correct. He drove out the animals but did not harm the people. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
18. God is all knowing, all powerful, yet he just cant handle money!!! - George Carlin |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
20. He didn't much care for hypocrites and liers |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
28. jesus wouldn't vote |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. that, and if a Republican happens to be in charge at his polling place... |
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sarge43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
58. Well, he was homeless, so automatic fail. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
26. Absolutely. n/t |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
29. Well I suppose if you don't count threatening people with eternal torment as being violent, |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Did Jesus talk about hell? |
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white_wolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. He did a few times, but Jews don't believe in hell. |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. My understanding is that it was... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #34 |
51. There are three good arguments that Jesus was a woman |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 02:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Thanks for the laugh. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 03:31 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Yes--that one's pretty good. They would have stopped and asked for directions |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
60. Yeah, quite a bit actually. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
31. Money Changers in The Temple... |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:40 PM Response to Original message |
37. Wasn't Jesus an Essene? |
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COLGATE4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Most scholars seem to agree that he was not an Essene n/t |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Thank Christ those scholars were there. n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:40 AM Response to Reply #41 |
63. So, do you scorn all historical research, because the scholars mostly "weren't there"? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. I think John the Baptist was the Essene. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Dr. Bronner claimed to be an Essene. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 02:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
53. Soap - With One - Universal |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 11:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. So Jesus of Nazareth couldn't have been an Essene? |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 07:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
64. He was Gnostic. n/t |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-24-11 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
40. The moneychangers were what we call bankers and brokers -- the |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:18 AM Response to Original message |
57. It isn't lost on the PTB. |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
59. additionally, Jesus commanded that people should pay their taxes |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
76. Actually, it sounds more like he said they shouldn't use Roman money at all. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 06:39 AM Response to Original message |
62. You know, the "true history" isn't the real point of the OP. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. Funny how rarely people get that. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 09:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. You got it, thanks! |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
97. Yeah but there are a lot of fictional books of Jesus in the Bible |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
68. One thing is for sure, had there been separation of church and state, there would've been no grounds |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
74. If Jesus Had Lived, |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. I always thought the opposite, that Jesus was critical of the Zealot militants. |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #82 |
99. That is Certainly the Way the Gospels Read |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
78. What, this isn't Jesus? |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #78 |
93. No, he lives in DC - looking for a date (Irish need not apply) |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-25-11 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
79. Not actual violence. He upset some tables and used a whip to chase some animals. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-26-11 02:12 AM Response to Original message |
87. I am shocked at the blanket statements some Christian DUers make. |
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