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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:12 AM Original message |
Important Update on Wired and Lamo Chat Logs: No Unpub Material on Assange |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
1. Good. The conspiracy conspiracy is falling apart. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Or as we used to call it, journalism. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. +++ |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
4. This whole thing strikes me a false premise -y |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Cant conspire. You can write a story on coke but cant sell it.. |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
51. Look at the underlying statutes. 18 USC Sec. 641 and Sec. 793 of the Espionage Act |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:52 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Any prosecution other than conspiracy and espionage have real legal risks. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
5. Lets see if manning testifies against assange and if this blog |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. may I play devil's advocaate? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. It human nature. Up til then he had fraternity handshakes |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Even if he does that's not enough. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:50 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Conspiracy is pretty easy |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Manning's word is not enough. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Logs and ANY other evidence (logs, intercepts) backing it seals the deal. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:03 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I'll agree with that. But it can't be third party hearsay between Manning and Lamo. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:06 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Wonder if they ever got that echelon thingy working.. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:52 AM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Assange does not seem to think there is a call. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
60. It works like enron or any criminal enterprise |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:39 AM Response to Reply #37 |
54. "disk or tape" |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:37 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. EMC sells what again? What type of array? |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
7. Can someone explain to me exactly what Lamo's relationship is... |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:38 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Manning confessed to lamo. Lamo recorded the conversation.. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:45 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Deleted message |
EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Remember DU has features that you can use |
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PufPuf23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Thank you Dear. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. I dont care if your post is deleted. Ignore and alert are generally misused. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Lamo's a well known hacker. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. Lamo is not a well known hacker. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. hackers are generally not well known, at least |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:04 AM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Those logs won't be used in court, it'll likely be casual connections. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:16 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. I hope he kept the gaga cd. That would be epic |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. He often zero-filled the data blocks after transmission. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:20 AM Response to Reply #24 |
44. They generally become known because of either serving time, or making something great. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
43. A list: |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:21 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Isn't conversation with a Priest protected? |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
47. There are some legal protections there, yes. |
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TorchTheWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
70. depends |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 05:27 PM Response to Reply #43 |
73. If you want to know what the real "hacker" community thinks of Adrian Lamo.. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
8. Well, that's less evidence than Lamo implied, then. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Ever hear of a federal gag order.. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Constitution says no. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Does not apply to material witness or others who can be gagged by judge |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:16 AM Response to Reply #13 |
18. Thank you. It is good to get the talking points. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Just listen to Holder or see the cases of former NSA employee |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. How did Chavez know, ahead of time that the Ambassador's visa |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:56 AM Response to Reply #21 |
49. But not to the American people -- no leaks to ordinary Americans. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Its on the page of the NY Times? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #9 |
26. Wired could say "there is something in there" without violating a gag order. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
28. It will be interesting to see this play out in court. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Agreed, I look forward to see what happens with this. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:58 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. If assange did not pimp manning he is set |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:02 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I think Manning is one of those pardonable scenarios though. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:07 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. NO he is a rosenberg. Different idea he stole for |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. At least in that case, we will be able to see all of the cables |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:13 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Thats the beauty of it. Data is in the clear now at NYT and others |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:17 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. They will have to shut the NYT down. No loss. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:14 AM Response to Reply #42 |
53. Enjoy your time here. |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:59 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Excellent therapy. As good as the Einstein puzzle. |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:00 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Nor will he be traded for some spy from another country. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 06:11 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. DADT. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 08:40 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. His defense will claim mood disorder. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:19 PM Response to Reply #26 |
66. And why would Wired be under a gag order and not Lamo? |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:27 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. This was just speculation, but not unreasonable speculation given the circumstance, in an... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Thank you for the great response! |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 04:45 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Time tables has been provided at FDL, useful, too |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
25. Wired has the entire logs, they have no reason to lie. |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
61. Lamo is a tool |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
62. Assange: Wired, a single source of misinformation about Wikileaks |
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kgnu_fan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
63. kick |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
64. kick nt |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
65. This is a huge catch, Hissyspit! Thank you! Wired doesn't want Greenwald on their ass anymore... |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
68. The editor-in-chief of Wired (Hansen) is appearing to throw Lamo under the bus live on Twitter. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-30-10 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
69. Kicked and recommended. |
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