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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:32 AM Original message |
Is it Time we get rid of the Electoral College and go to popular vote? |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. I wonder how that would change campaign tactics? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Mass blitz of ads and smears in urban centers |
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Retrograde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #3 |
19. As opposed to media ad blitzes in swing states |
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cemaphonic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. Yeah, it's not really a small-big thing these days |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
2. the EC was created to get the less populous states to buy into the constitution. |
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Snoutport (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. I don't know to be honest. |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Why not a national Senate with 51 senators? |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Give that Senator to DC, along with the right to vote in the House. |
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One_Life_To_Give (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
44. Then where do we move the Seat of Gov't to? |
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Skidmore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Leave it where it is. There is no reason why the residents of |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. It was tied in with |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
6. I would prefer run-off voting be implemented first. |
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IphengeniaBlumgarten (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
7. National Popular Vote is not quite what it sounds like |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Are you sure we are talking about the same thing? What voice does a "state" have... |
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Shrek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Click the link in the OP |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. From what I have seen, it forces States where the national popular vote winner |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. Do you think that eliminating the electoral college would distort the voice of the voters? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. When CA,NY,NJ,MA,MI give Democrats the bulk of what they need to win |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. So you're against a national popular vote altogether? |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. You're talking about the same thing. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:05 PM Original message |
How is it not what it sounds like? How is it "ugly and non-intuitive"? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
9. I think if we moved to a popular vote only the large states would matter |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
11. The EC spares us national vote recounts |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
13. That requires a Constittional amendment... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:14 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. So get a movement going to amend. That's how |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
22. It took them almost a hundred years, and the equal rights amendment died. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You have to start somewhere and as far as I'm concerned |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. And I would support it again. |
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Shrek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Actually it doesn't |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. You mean the national popular vote bills. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. How does a national popular vote shitcan the decisions of the citizens? |
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Shrek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
59. Self-delete |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
52. The Supreme Court would likely rule such a thing unconstitutional, in my opinion. |
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Shrek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. On what grounds would the USSC make such a ruling? |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. Because the purpose of the electoral college is specifically to keep the election of the President |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
24. No it doesn't. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. You should read the link. It just sets up a law that requires the electors... |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. I read the link. The result it achieves is that the President is chosen by national popular vote. |
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Ozymanithrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. So the Constitution is meaningless talking points? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. No, but it is flawed |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. Not really. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
53. The constitutionality of that is suspect, in my opinion. nt. |
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jeff47 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-17-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #53 |
68. The constitution does not specify how electors can vote. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
14. YES!!!!n/t |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
17. yes |
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wilt the stilt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
21. The electoral college is a device to take the rights of the voter |
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get the red out (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
27. Yes |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
33. If we went with the popular vote Gore would have been president in 2000 |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. And in 2004. Bush would have actually had a mandate. Let's admire the wisdom of the EC |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. IF Bush had tried running again for President - he wouldn't have been an incumbant |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. Bush thought he had a mandate in 2004 |
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Cognitive_Resonance (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
36. Don't tamper with it. nt |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
37. No, I believe it would lead to electoral monopolies in the same manner as conglomeration |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
38. Your whole premise is wrong on why we have Electoral College |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 03:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
54. While you are certainly |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
41. the Electoral College is anti-democratic and belongs in the garbage pile of history. |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
42. NO and here is why. I don't trust the red states. |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. That's one of the most impressive features of the EC. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. It neutralizes the incentive ... by guaranteeing the Republicans will win there |
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Nye Bevan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. And the Dems are pretty much guaranteed CA's 55 electoral votes. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. So it gives Republicans some power without them having to cheat, and Democrats always get all CA |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 01:12 PM Response to Original message |
45. yes |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
55. There are a couple of |
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Paper Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
57. Overdue! n/t |
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Cascadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
58. YES! |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
61. Politicians would not go for that! It would make things too competitive |
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Motown_Johnny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
62. Political Impossibility |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
64. I have been for that for many years |
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Throd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-15-11 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
65. As a Californian I say "yes". |
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