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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:53 AM Original message |
Lies About the U.S. Civil War 150 Years Later |
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AgainsttheCrown (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:46 AM Response to Original message |
1. Um...yeah the civil war did have the highest US military casualties... |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Interesting, because the Soviets had a scenario... |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:05 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Agreed |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Wrong, use an almanac. |
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AgainsttheCrown (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 04:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. And where did you get that number? |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 04:27 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Out of a book. |
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AgainsttheCrown (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 04:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I'm sure they were a million... |
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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
24. You are correct..."casualties" isn't just the dead... |
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Obamanaut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. You are indeed correct. Just checked three different sources, other than |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
29. Not American dead |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. No, it was just casualties. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. We're talking about dead |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. You don't know what you're talking about -- that's fer damned sure. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. And yet if you were to apply a technique I refer to as "reading" |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 05:24 PM Response to Reply #42 |
85. true, but the post he was responding to said casualties |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:47 AM Response to Original message |
2. What a well written essay. So much in so few words. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. oh my word. you've outdone yourself. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 04:20 AM Response to Original message |
7. "deadliest war in US history" "most humans are not US citizens" |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 05:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. well, propaganda- and that's virtually all Swanson cranks out- |
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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
12. UPDATE FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T USE GOOGLE |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. OK, I read the first two, I'm not going to bother with the rest- |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Deadliest war in human history and deadliest U.S. war is apples and oranges. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. someone is missing the point - the Civil War had the highest *American* casualties |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. no, I'm not missing the point. |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #19 |
38. are you saying... you're not going to buy his book? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. maybe I'll get for a gift and I can burn it |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. ! |
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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
33. thanks |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. oh for pity's sake. you refuse to address anyone who substantively challenges |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
32. It was the deadliest war for Americans in history |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
65. My, that certainly cuts the strings of puppet deniers who choose an alternate history |
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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #65 |
80. wars tend not to end in peace |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Well put. |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
82. The Thing Is |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
13. "Those who fought in the Civil War, regardless of the politics or results, were heroes." |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. That I agree with - there was nothing heroic in joining the CSA Army |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
16. I wish you were more honest. I wish you didn't distort facts to your own ends |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 08:54 AM Response to Original message |
17. Excellent summary. nt |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:07 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. uh, summary of what? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. You're missing the forest for the trees |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. of course war isn't always the answer. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Honestly both WWII and WWI could have been avoided |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. there is nothing like 20/20 hindsight. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #27 |
47. Sometimes its pretty clear however |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:42 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. The US couldn't have done much to prevent either |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #31 |
44. Had we helped rebuild Germany rather than tossing them in the trash |
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The Green Manalishi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #44 |
46. And there was little need for us to get involved in WW1 |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Yes - WWI was all about empires and corporations, and nothing but empires and corporations nt |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Not our fight, not our problem |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Well that kind of thinking is what led to Hitler, and "our problem" |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Ah so we are the worlds policeman? |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. No - but we do have a role in diplomacy |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. You're long on supposition |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:07 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. Ok... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Fact: |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. It's not just America, its all parties |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 02:37 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Post 31 |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Don't play games, you know what I meant |
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amchop (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-13-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #78 |
88. Well... |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
70. Germany wasn't devastated by the war. All the action happened in Belgium and France |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. Economically they were devastated |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
56. Since WWII grew out of WWI and the conditions that ended it, what |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. If we, or somebody else rebuilt Germany post WWI |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Yeah, that's an interesting point. The punitive conditions |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Yep - kinda like what if Fidel Castro played for the Washington Nationals |
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davidswanson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. thanks |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
55. I am generally anti-war and non-violent. But when the South |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Yes, at that time the Civil War was a necessity |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:41 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Most of them would never have happened. Interesting side note |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I don't think of Lincoln as a mindless butcher |
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coalition_unwilling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you thought Lincoln a butcher. I've |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Teddy R wasn't so bad, even if he was psychotic towards animals |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Its cool. And I do think the Union was justified in the civil war except... |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 05:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
83. 12 American Presidents Owned Slaves |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
26. I really want to burn a Confederate flag today |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. I do too |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:25 AM Response to Original message |
28. An excellent piece of work, OP. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
30. So why is the author offended when we say it is the costliest war in our history? |
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Karmadillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
37. K&R |
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bikebloke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
43. 150 already? |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
54. Most of those who died in the war were killed by disease. |
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DFab420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
59. Canada.. Independent??? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. +1 |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
61. Jeff Sessions (R-douchebag) referred to it as "the war of northern aggression" on the Senate floor. |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
76. More sophistry from DU's leading historical revisionist |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. Yes, another Unrec from me, too. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
86. slavery also involved "killing, wounding, traumatizing, and destroying" |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-12-11 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
87. Raised in Alabama - I heard all kinds of neo-Confederate BS |
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