Springs man's claim to have Obama records starts buzz

[kentuck]

http://www.gazette.com/articles/springs-115381-colorado-obama.html

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A Colorado Springs “birther,” retired Air Force Col. Gregory Hollister, has Internet blogs abuzz with what may be an illegal foray into an online Social Security data base and how he obtained a copy of President Barack Obama’s draft registration from 1980.

“Col. Greg Hollister, USAF (Ret.) contacted the Selective Service, falsely impersonated President Obama, improperly registered his own address as President Obama’s address, and by this false impersonation and identity theft he managed to obtain a duplicate registration acknowledgement card with President Obama’s Selective Service information on it,” a blogger posted on gratewire.com last week. “This may violate several federal criminal statutes, and apparently caused the federal record of President Obama’s address with the Selective Service to be altered to show that he lives in Colorado Springs, CO.”

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Hollister said the Social Security number on what he says is Obama’s draft registration begins with the numbers 042, which would be issued to someone born in Connecticut, not Hawaii.

Last week, California attorney Orly Taitz, who has led the legal challenges to Obama’s citizenship, filed an amended complaint in her latest lawsuit demanding Obama’s Social Security records, attaching as an exhibit the draft registration mailed to an address in Colorado Springs, according to the Reality Check Radio Blog.

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[SpiralHawk]

1. Bilious Birfer Baloney (R)

The RepubliBirfers violate laws and ethics up the wazoo, and produce a total ZERO of evidence, proving abolsutely nothing. Then they get their Republicon Diapers stankily soiled in a Major Twist of Excitement about the Vapid Crap they are smearing all over their, um, brains, or what have you.

Bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha. Too funny. What total assinine Suckers (R) they are.

[rfranklin]

2. Connecticut? I think he actually accessed Bush's records...

which would be amazing since they were scrubbed from the system by Alberto Gonzalez and Karl Rove.

[Webster Green]

4. Kenyaticut?

Uh Oh!

[SpiralHawk]

8. A Meme is born ! +1,000

Kenyaticut !!!

Actually, the Algonquin relatives of yesteryear called it 'Quinnehtukqut' but the imperialist invaders from Europe were too dumb and arrogant to handle the truth -- a lot like the Latter Day RepubliBirfers who are disgracing the one time at least marginally honorable Republicon partee...

[global1]

18. Tell Me More About The Scrubbing Of Bush's Records By Gonzalez & Rove......

are you talking his military records or something else? Now you've peaked my curiosity.

[rfranklin]

20. there were many stories about this during the Bush occupation of the White House

As the presidential campaign planning began in Texas, Lieutenant Colonel Bill Burkett of the Texas Guard said he overheard orders from the Governor's office to "scrub" Mr. Bush's records. Burkett said he listened as Joe Allbaugh and Dan Bartlett, both of whom went to Washington with the president, told Major General Daniel James, commander of the Texas Guard, to "make sure there is nothing embarrassing in the governor's file." Burkett, who was chief advisor to General James, also said he was present when the records were surrendered for scrubbing.

After he took office, Commander in Chief George W. Bush promoted Daniel James to CO of the U.S. National Guard in Washington.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/06/05_moore.html

[global1]

21. I've Read This Account Of The Scrubbing On The Link You Provided Before.....

I was reacting to you comment about Gonzales and Rove. Did they have any part in this or any other scrubbing of Bush's records?

[rfranklin]

23. At some point Gonzales went through the Texas records...

September 1996: Bush called to jury duty, and accepts, saying it is a "feeble excuse" to say he's too busy or important. But he is then assigned to a DUI case, and might be asked under oath if he had ever been arrested for drunk driving. Bush asks to be dismissed from jury the night before the trial, and is helped by Alberto R. Gonzales, Bush's legal counsel. Bush later appoints Gonzales to the Texas Supreme Court, and later still to White House counsel. Gonzales is a candidate for a Supreme Court seat if a vacancy arises.

http://www.blogd.com/bushrecord.html

[sinkingfeeling]

3. Apparently these nuts cannot read or refuse to believe what the SSA says about those numbers.

http://www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html


Number Has Three Parts

The nine-digit SSN is composed of three parts:

•The first set of three digits is called the Area Number
•The second set of two digits is called the Group Number
•The final set of four digits is the Serial Number
Area Number

The Area Number is assigned by the geographical region. Prior to 1972, cards were issued in local Social Security offices around the country and the Area Number represented the State in which the card was issued. This did not necessarily have to be the State where the applicant lived, since a person could apply for their card in any Social Security office. Since 1972, when SSA began assigning SSNs and issuing cards centrally from Baltimore, the area number assigned has been based on the ZIP code in the mailing address provided on the application for the original Social Security card. The applicant's mailing address does not have to be the same as their place of residence. Thus, the Area Number does not necessarily represent the State of residence of the applicant, either prior to 1972 or since.

Generally, numbers were assigned beginning in the northeast and moving westward. So people on the east coast have the lowest numbers and those on the west coast have the highest numbers.


Edited because I can't subtract.

[Kip Humphrey]

13. Also, for the younger folks,

Back then, SSNs were not required to be issued upon birth, as they are today, but were only issued when you applied. Back then, SSNs were generally required to apply for an individual passport (was not required for children on their parent's passport), to apply for a job, or to apply for a bank loan. I didn't get a SSN until I was 15.

[Mariana]

26. They're still not required to be issued at birth.

The parents get an application form when the child is born, but they can toss the form in the trash if they want to. Most fill it out, of course. It's handy to have a SS# when you're claiming the kid as a dependent on your income tax return.

[WinkyDink]

28. I got mine to attend college.

[jwirr]

19. Absolutely. I do some genealogy and this is often the case. People

I KNOW who were born in one state have ss numbers issued in other states. Just another idiot thinking he knows what is what.

[fried eggs]

25. I didn't get a social security number

until I was 9 years old, and when my mom did apply for my number it was in a different state than the one I was born.

[maxsolomon]

5. Connecticut's in the US of Goddamn A, too

Last time I checked, which was 5th grade.

Do these folks have jobs?

[joeybee12]

6. This guy needs to be locked up...nt

[DCKit]

10. For sure, when all his documents are revealed as forgeries.

As much as this birther might want to believe this is a political statement, forgery is a federal offense.

The Secret Service should have some fun with this.

[Mz Pip]

7. I hope this guy

does some serious jail time. that guy who hacked into Palin's emails was convicted. What Hollister did is far worse.

[Sheepshank]

9. ahhh the Connecticut thang

has been know for quite some time.

Back in the day, people did NOT file for a newborn's ss# immediately upon the birth of the child. Often not for several years. The ss# reflects the resident state at the time of application not the state of birth....dicks. I'd remember reading here that there was verification of a Conn residency for Obama mothers. Col. dickwad deserves to be thrown in prison for being a fool...hopefully it will stop him from breeding.

[DCKit]

11. My dad didn't file until I was eight. All five of us have sequential SS numbers.

In short, you are correct.

[RamboLiberal]

16. Same here - my mom got mine when she opened a little savings acct

for me at a bank and it was required. Probably when I was past 6-7.

[Historic NY]

17. I filed for one when I was 15 also...turn out my parents deceased..

did when I was born. They gave me and my twin brother new copies of our originals. Years later I discovered one of those metal stamped card amongst family items.

Now if I can only find my hospital footprint cards I can be a completely certified citizen :think::crazy::rofl:

[Demonaut]

12. delete

[sinkingfeeling]

14. You must have been born between March 29, 1957 and Dec. 31, 1959.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System

On July 2, 1980, however, President Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18–26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960.<10> Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration.<11> The first registrations after Proclamation 4771 took place on Monday, July 21, 1980, for those men born in January, February and March 1960 at U.S. Post Offices. Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays were reserved for men born in the later quarters of the year, and registration for men born in 1961 began the following week.<12>

[LibertyLover]

15. Actually, you still have to register with Selective Service if you

are male and have turned 18. You have 30 days from the date of your 18th birthday to do so. From Wikipedia:

On March 29, 1975, President Ford signed Proclamation 4360, Terminating Registration Procedures Under Military Selective Service Act, eliminating the registration requirement for all 18–25 year old male citizens.<9>

On July 2, 1980, however, President Carter signed Proclamation 4771, Registration Under the Military Selective Service Act, retroactively re-establishing the Selective Service registration requirement for all 18–26 year old male citizens born on or after January 1, 1960.<10> Only men born between March 29, 1957, and December 31, 1959, were completely exempt from Selective Service registration.<11> The first registrations after Proclamation 4771 took place on Monday, July 21, 1980, for those men born in January, February and March 1960 at U.S. Post Offices. Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays were reserved for men born in the later quarters of the year, and registration for men born in 1961 began the following week.<12>

So it looks like President Obama was following the law.

[Kingofalldems]

22. Col. Queeg

Ah, the strawberries, that's where I had them.....

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

24. Good one, Why is it that it seems all the whackjobs in the

US military seem to be almost universally US Air Force. Is there something in the water in Colorado Springs or what? :evilgrin:

Or is it that Curtis LeMay mindset is still instilled in them..

[TroglodyteScholar]

27. The USAF is, for the most part, a hypercapitalist, fundamentalist evangelical death cult.

It's very in-your-face if you've experienced it first-hand.