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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:21 PM Original message |
Is this the oath taken by Bradley Manning? |
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LucySky (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R. n/t |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. back in the day when we were having debates about whether soldiers... |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:49 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Exactly. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. The kid's got.........incredible intestinal fortitude. |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Wired.....rare and real. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-26-10 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. PFC Bradley Manning, American Patriot |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. American Patriot. Yes. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
5. K&R. n/t |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
6. K&R |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
7. did he obey the lawful orders of those above him? |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:07 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Lawful orders. |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:26 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. We don't really know what he did. |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. ... to use your logic, the soldiers at Kent State were 'obeying orders' too ... |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
62. Like a good German, huh? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. no, not like that at all. More like the birther Lakin |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:14 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. No, just look the other way. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
13. He does not stand alone |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Right on. |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:50 AM Response to Original message |
14. Why did he do it through a website? |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
25. Who knows.....? Times are different. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. It isn't just a website. It is an award-winning International News |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
15. k and r-- all enemies foreign and *domestic* |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
16. Quite excellent, Dystopian. If the US military kills this modern-day |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:07 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Nobody is going to kill him. He will serve 52 years for his crimes. |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:18 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. No, he won't. This country doesn't have 52 years. It will be blown |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Well I will bookmark this post and we will see in 52 years. |
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sirthomas66 (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Not me. I will simply help as many people as I can in the time they and |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
54. You mean we don't need trials anymore? |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:35 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Of course there will be a trial. If he is innocent he will be found innocent. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
70. If he exposed crimes that the military ignored |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. Even if he exposed a coverup if he released classified material to unathorized persons he is guilty |
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TheMadMonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
99. Hmm, let's see. The CoC (next link at the time) gave a laughing OK... |
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midnight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:58 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. I guess the rule of law is inefficient.... |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:09 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. We must keep him close in our hearts, and hope for the best |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
17. "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States" |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Maybe he was angry and troubled due to what Ethan McCord saw |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Why didn't he selectively leak critical documents, rather than |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. I hope you watched the video... |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. That doesn't answer the question. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
68. The video is beside the point. I'd be supporting him if he only |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. sadly he's the one in solitary confinement... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:15 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. I had previously seen the video. And as horrifying as it was, |
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plantwomyn (779 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 11:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. The President of the United States |
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Rozlee (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. You're right. You can only follow orders until you reach the point of being a "good German" |
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Rozlee (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I stand corrected. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
55. Only if those individuals are acting legally. |
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Statistical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. He didn't only release information related to war crimes. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. We do not know what he leaked. People have been making |
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wildbilln864 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:23 PM Response to Reply #59 |
88. did you see alll 250,000 docs? |
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Swagman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
60. the president did not "obey the orders of the President of the United States" |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
74. There are two sides in this war against tyranny and you have choosen the wrong side. nm |
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90-percent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
27. Quick observations |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:58 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. The chief executive is above the law. Ourconstitutional rights are openly invaded. |
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90-percent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
64. Thanks |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
28. If it was civil disobedience, he has to accept the penalty for what he did |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. I agree. There seems to be a lot of projection here. n/t |
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liberation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:30 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. .... and they say irony was dead |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:01 PM Response to Reply #47 |
67. +1000 |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
97. You need to explain yourself. Please. |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 07:56 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. I don't need to do a thing.. |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Thank you....and my apology. |
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RetroLounge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:03 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. No prob. Rude happens. |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-28-10 10:40 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. ; ) |
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Vattel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. No one has to accept unjust punishent. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. And I agree he's entitled to "resist punishment" |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
76. He is being punished via torture before a trial. He is innocent until proven guilty. nm |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
89. You obviouosly do not understand civil disobedience. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 06:44 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I'd say 99% of what's classified has no business being classified |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
94. This is different.....as stated in OP |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
95. Who said he was a troubled young man? All we know is that |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
31. This interpretation of the oath is a massive fail. n/t |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
32. Yes, that's the oath he violated when he dumped 250,000 emails |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:01 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. What they stand for is exposing corruption and human rights |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. He witnessed war crimes and tried to report them. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Why didn't he selectively leak documents related to any war crimes |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Documents are being released selectively. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:13 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Manning didn't release them selectively. He handed them all over |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. He handed them over to an award-winning International News |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
65. He was fully capable of reading the documents he was putting |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. You don't know any of that. You are basing your assumptions |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:20 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. If he only dumped the handful of documents related to |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. If he was upholding the oath he took to protect the Constitution |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:38 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. If he released documents related to confidential diplomatic |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:54 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. Yes, we don't know, as you say. Actually I don't see how he would |
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Swagman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. most Nazis obeyed the law. It comes as a shock to find the |
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cactusfractal (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:09 PM Response to Original message |
40. So what's the difference between PVT Manning and LTC Lakin? |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:19 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. The issue of leaking documents being legal or illegal was settled |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:09 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Daniel Ellsberg was not a member of the military with routine access |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
77. Again, you are making assumptions as to what he leaked. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Yes, I am making those assumptions. If it turns out that |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:33 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. The difference between Lakin and Manning? |
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UpInArms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:08 PM Response to Reply #40 |
96. so I guess you think that Abu Ghraib was okay and that the abuse and torture |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
49. False presumption .... |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Supposedly he confessed to Lamo that he leaked the |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:36 PM Response to Reply #53 |
84. Too bad the cat suddenly got Pouslon's tongue.... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:13 PM Response to Reply #49 |
73. The claim is that he not only admitted it, he was bragging about it. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. And Lamo is the only source for that airc. Not a very reliable source. |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
51. We are not certain he has done anything. |
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RegieRocker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
58. Standing up for what is right trumps any and all |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
80. He probably signed this... |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
91. K & Flipping R, Jack! |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
92. K&R. He is a hero. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
93. K&R9nt) |
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Dystopian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-27-10 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
100. Thank you all. |
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