Babies tossed out of incubators, WMD, humanitarian intervention...

[whatchamacallit]

It's always "different this time", and we always gobble it right up. We believe fucking anything that comes from "authority". Pathetic rubes... :banghead:

[Critters2]

1. Zackly. nt

[Aerows]

2. They fooled me once...

...they won't fool me twice. I am not in support of this intervention.

[Scurrilous]

3. Well said!!1!

:thumbsup:

[stevenleser]

4. You will be wrong a lot if you generalize. If you cannot call this issue out for specific problems

you have no case.

[Arctic Dave]

5. You forgot, "coming to the aid of our long time friend".

Aka assisting our dictator.

[whatchamacallit]

7. Yep. (nt)

[Poll_Blind]

6. No, no! THIS is supposed to be the "good one"! Humanity on Black 24 and spin the wheel, croupier!

I'm feeling lucky this time!

PB

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. Calling a proxy war a humanitarian intervention is a new perverted twist

[L. Coyote]

9. But, a dictator might kill someone if we don't kill him.

Surely, you understand the logic of pre-emptive killing :rofl:

[KittyWampus]

10. Oh, but not YOU. No, you're smarter than that. Typical cynical attempt to feel superior.

[whatchamacallit]

11. Yes I am. (nt)

[EFerrari]

17. How "superior" do you have to be to recognize

the same bs we're told at the front end of every one of these actions?

[Union Scribe]

28. 'Cynical' is the emotional blackmail the MIC uses time after time

to sucker people into thinking cruise missiles and bullets are the solution to all the world's problems.

[snot]

12. "Why of course the people don't want war. . . .

Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? . . . But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship."
– Hermann Goering, per Nuremberg Diary (Farrar, Straus & Co 1947), by Gustave Gilbert

[mmonk]

13. You are correct.

[malaise]

14. No - I am not gobbling this out

All US Presidents are foreign policy hawks.
Wait until they hear that the slaughter was the big lie. Obama is too fucking naive.
No fly zone my ass -they're bombing the shit out of another country.

[blindpig]

15. k&r

Sums it up nicely.

[Maru Kitteh]

16. So it's your stated opinion then that great numbers of DU'ers are "pathetic rubes?" That hardly

seems desirous of, or likely to, lead to thoughtful discussion.

[damntexdem]

18. What bullshit! "We" don't do any such thing:

"We" didn't fall for the Iraq nonsense -- "we" were out protesting both before and after the invasion.

"We" didn't fall for Afghanistan -- at least I said at the time that ALTHOUGH THE U.S. WAS JUSTIFIED in going into Afghanistan, I could not support it with Bushistas in charge.

"We" didn't fall for support for the government of El Salvador. "We" didn't fall for support for the Contras in Nicaragua. And "we" protested for years against the war in Vietnam.

But the "we" in which I include myself not only supported Clinton's actions in Bosnia but also criticized him for waiting too long to take action.

And now the "we" that includes me supports the intervention in Libya, upset that it was as late as it was, but hoping that it is still in time.

[revolutionnow45]

24. Is the difference Twitter- haven't 'antiwar' folk been reading about the protesters asking for help?

This is not the same at all. Are people just trying to make the democratic party look stupid?

[PurityOfEssence]

19. 70 military vehicles destroyed by Fighter-Bombers to protect civilians, not armed revolutionaries...

The armed rebels are not referred to at all; the only other entities mentioned are civilians. There apparently aren't any armed rebels.

[Bluerthanblue]

20. what is it you are saying? That NOTHING any person in leadership says is

EVER true?

Then when, and IF the day ever comes when you think you've installed a person in the White House, who meets your incredible criteria- remember this 'wisdom' of yours.

I haven't heard any absurd reasons being given for this UN action. They may not be reasons that you like or agree with, but there are no "incubator" stories, or trumped up WMD accusations.

So, if the UN went into Darfur, Sudan, or Rwanda, you'd claim the slaughter was all a ruse then as well?

There are legitimate reasons to not like this decision, you don't have weaken your position with this kind of stuff.

[ZombieHorde]

21. What do you think the UN's motivation is for their Libya vote?

Is the UN a shill for the MIC?

Is the UN planning on dividing up that sweet oil?

Is the UN simply filled with misguided fools?

[SidDithers]

23. Inconvenient questions indeed...

:thumbsup:

Sid

[ZombieHorde]

38. Brussel sprouts are one of the few foods I truly hate.

There are many foods I don't care for, but I fucking hate Brussel sprouts.

[tekisui]

25. To be fair, only 10 nations voted for it.

While they do represent the UN on the Security Council, it was still only 2/3 of the vote:

* Bosnia and Herzegovina
* Colombia
* France
* Gabon
* Lebanon
* Nigeria
* Portugal
* South Africa
* United Kingdom
* United States

5 Abstained:

* Brazil
* China
* Germany
* India
* Russia

[ZombieHorde]

35. Why do you think the countries voted the way they did?

Why did no country vote against it?

[tekisui]

36. I assume the affirmative votes were for the reasons stated.

I don't know why countries abstained rather than veto. Maybe it was pressure. Maybe they felt like it was worthwhile, but didn't want to be attached to it. Not sure.

[GOTV]

22. I didn't believe in the WMD lie but I do believe Libya was massacring civillians from the air

and I'm glad the most powerful nations are stopping it.

[Taverner]

26. LOL - I love how everyone is saying "Libya is not Iraq" as if physics work differently there

[Union Scribe]

29. I think when people say that, they mean it literally

"Look! They're even spelled different! Ipso facto, war good!"

[FiveGoodMen]

27. Couldn't agree more!

Shame on the idiots who keep supporting every new stupid thing we do.

:banghead: indeed!

[sasha031]

30. I had forgotten that one

Babies tossed out of incubators....thank you for reminding me of that story.

as for the we part, at least there is some sort of relief that we aren't drinking the koolaid. .

[The Doctor.]

31. So what lies were we told this time to justify the no-fly zone?

Anyone...

Anyone...........

[Taverner]

33. How about "He killed 6K of his own PEOPLE!!"

Before you jump on me, please tell me exactly how we know this?

Did we send Zogby over there to count corpses?

[The Doctor.]

39. Where have YOU heard this?

The administration?

[Taverner]

43. Forget which news source - I THINK CNN

Claims that Quadaffi killed over 6K protesters

I've seen that number bounced around here too

[The Doctor.]

44. So, that's pretty much just like the Secretary of State standing on the floor of the UN,

and making highly and broadly reported bullshit claims.

Obviously. If it's 'heard somewhere around possibly' then it's just like the massive bullshit campaign that we were subjected to daily and can still get mountains of documentation for when the Bush Administration lied us into Iraq.

My God... I just can't tell these instances apart.

(Sorry... couldn't help but snark the fuck out of that one.)


Ok, so there aren't any outright lies, or orchestrated disinformation campaign by the administration here. I wonder how many he has killed.

[ZombieHorde]

34. What do you think the UN's ultimate goal is for the the no-fly zone? nt

[The Doctor.]

40. So that the US can illegally invade again? I'm just not sure what you're suggesting.

What is that ultimate goal?

I'm curious.

[ZombieHorde]

41. I am not certain what the ultimate goal is, but the UN is saying the ultimate goal is to help the

people of Libya.

I now realize I had misread your reply.

"So what lies were we told this time to justify the no-fly zone?"

I read your reply as an accusation of lying, not as an attempt to move the argument further. Sorry about that.

[The Doctor.]

42. Ah, that explains it.

It's copacetic.

[Rex]

32. Who is this 'we' you keep talking about?

You got someone in your pocket that I don't know about? :eyes:

[Modern_Matthew]

37. Hell, I'd question authority even if they gave me everything I wanted. But they aren't even close.

:banghead: indeed.

[Puregonzo1188]

45. It's always a new Hitler or some kind of Holocaust reference--I've lost count

how many times the Holocaust has been thrown in the face of those opposing this latest imperial excursion on DU.