Breaking: French aircrafts attack Libyan military vehicles

[thewiseguy]

Breaking on Reuters. No link yet.

It has begun!

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. Yep....MSNBC is covering it. I hope all goes well

and is over quickly. I'm so sick of wars. :(

[Catherina]

2. It's WWI IV now. Remember the so-called caring activists who cheered this. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. I know. It's so depressing.

Though I DO sympathize with the people of Libya and the rebels. Qaddafi needs to go. I just don't think it's our place to get involved since our own country is in such NEED of $$$$$. Isn't it interesting how we always have the money for war and NEVER have the money for our schools, health care, roads, Unions, Teachers, etc....? :( If people don't see this and understand it...the Military Industrial Complex....then something is terribly wrong.

[Catherina]

8. Quite interesting indeed but sadly something is really wrong wrong

I've given up on even engaging in conversation with neoliberals. They want more war THERE. I want more jobs HERE.

[Aryo]

3. Finally!

No more dead civilians thank God.

[Catherina]

4. What a bizarre comment. What this means is more dead

But I'm sure you knew that.

[gateley]

5. But will also save lives of the citizens who asked for help, Catherina. Without help,

Qaddaif would keep mowing them down until there was no one left -- "showing no mercy".

[Catherina]

10. You & I both know predator drones and the like are coming soon

Qaddafi is an evil psychopath but it's not our place to tidy up the world for profit, which is the only way we know how to do it. If we could go in there and help, the people, really help, I'd be all for it. The problem is I've seen this script before.

Mark my words Gately, within a year Libya will be split up into 2 parts. One "proWestern" with lucrative oil contracts for the people who pushed the NFZ > war and the other not.

You know how much energy I spent trying to get facts out about Libya but what about the Ivory Coast where protesting women were mowed down with tank shells? No one is talking about "showing no mercy" there or even breathing a word about intervening. They act like it doesn't exist. It really bothers me.

The other thing is that when hawks like McCain & his Dem cohorts support intervention, then I know I need to be on the other side. Those murderers are never on the side of the people.

[gateley]

15. I'm probably being unrealistic because I so want these people to succeed -- I specificially

was thinking "I hope they don't use drones".

The country already has oil contracts with Western Big Oil, and I would imagine they're profiting handsomely but yeah, you can never have enough oil, right?

I really hope you're wrong, I hope this time it WILL be different. I think that the West is not ready or capable of entering another blown-out war or occupation or whatever they want to call it, nor would the people stand for it.

Again, I may be being naive, but I'm still hopeful this will have a good outcome. I will have no problem, although I'll be sad, to admit you were far more prescient than I should this go the way you predict. :(

[Catherina]

16. All I can say is that I feel for you

and me too. I hope I'm wrong too. The problem for me is that I haven't been been wrong yet on these developments and that the people behind ME interventions are my political enemies.

I hope I'm wrong too. I really do. I just don't expect a certain tiger (the Imperial West) to change its stripes overnight.

[gateley]

18. Again, I'm most likely being naive and unrealistic. I just can't bear

the thought of this escalating and becoming more than a "we'll get their tanks and fighter jets out of the way and let the people have a fighting chance".

I totally understand your viewpoint - it's valid and as you say, historically has been what occurs.

This time, for me, it seemed "different", maybe because EVERYBODY seems to want Qaddafi gone, and I was surprised that the people asked for help from the EU and US as I'd heard an "expert" say the people hated the West.

Sigh. We'll see. :grouphug:

[cedric]

21. Profit

The reality is if Qaddafi wins business will happily return to extract the money out of the oil fields of Libya and they have done under every dictatorship in the Arab nations. The people of Libya have asked for help and whilst I don't support the landing of troops this action may enable those people's who aspire for democracy and freedom a chance.

[thewiseguy]

7. Yes let Ghaddafi murder his own people in front of our own eyes

What a genius idea. His forces were on the doorsteps of Benghazi.

[Catherina]

13. The dead of the Ivory Coast have a question to you about the front of your own eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JI7zkhap7E

The question is asked at 3:30.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. He actually attacked Benghazi this morning:

<snip>
Gadhafi had tried to take advantage of the time lag betwen the U.N. resolution and the launch of the international operation, making a decisive strike on the Benghazi, Libya's second-largest city and the first major stronghold of the rebellion. Crashing shells shook buildings, and the sounds of battle drew closer to the city center as its residents despaired. A doctor said 27 bodies had reached hospitals by midday. By late in the day, warplanes could be heard overhead and the shelling had stopped.
<snip>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110319/ap_on_re_af/af_libya

[WatsonT]

17. Do you think Ghaddafi is even in the top running

for most evil despot on earth right now?

We "let" Kim Jong Il murder his people for decades.

Same with Mugabe.

And the Taliban.

And so on.

[cedric]

22. and your point is

Let's not intervene and let more people die as a consequence of a despot or stand up and be counted.

[WatsonT]

26. My point is we need to get away from the mentality

that we "let" all these terrible things occur.

They happen, we don't prevent them, but we aren't "letting" them happen as they aren't our responsibility.

Or are we the worlds police? Even if there were a moral argument for that we don't have the money to sustain such an effort.

[meow mix]

9. thank goodness. france-1 hired thugs-0

[roamer65]

11. Fire away, France.

Next step is to take out all of the anti-aircraft and SAM missile batteries.

[pinboy3niner]

12. CNN now reporting French warplanes destroyed 4 Libyan tanks at Benghazi nt

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[cedric]

23. And letting people die

whilst you do nothing is right.

When people stand up against dictatorship and put their lives on the line whilst you sit in a safe secure country is very easy. Ignoring their request for help which WILL result in their death or torture is also leading to bloodshed of those fighting for freedom.

[cedric]

24. As opposed to oil for blood

The west has for too long been happy to extract oil from dictatorships that have murdered and tortured which far too few have questioned. Is this the scenario that you wish Libya to return to.

[GSLevel9]

20. It must be REALLY tough to shoot from a plane while you're flying in reverse. nt

[Distant Observer]

25. Remember, when we KILL, IT DOES NOT COUNT. Not even when pro-west rebels kill. Only if pro-Gaddafi.