Yep they are now dealing with a leak

[nadinbrzezinski]

That photo was found in a Mexican Paper.

Those people with the counter are OUTSIDE the inner core of the zone...

Please all those who love nuclear power... look at that picture carefully.

[Tx4obama]

1. I saw that photo somewhere last night.. the caption said ....

something like 'they were just checking folks to be cautious' - but nothing was said about 'finding' any radiation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. And my head is scraming BULL SHIT

they are... you do not check people out of an abundance of caution...

They are rolling out protocols to deal with a leak and it's effects, just a slightly informed opinion. Why they also said they were getting ready to give people iodine. It is not quite heathy, but lesser of two evils.

[butterfly77]

16. The same thing goes for the...

number of people missing or dead. They are lying.

[Maru Kitteh]

69. Good lord. They're not lying - they just don't know yet.

[butterfly77]

71. When they said..

there were 200 to 300 people dead they were lying yesterday. Anyone looking at how the flood took out all of those houses and cars knew better. I am not talking about the nuclear situation.

[Maru Kitteh]

72. That was confirmed dead. You want them to pull numbers they don't have out of the air?

Out of their ass? Your ass? What does that help? Every single death total they have given since hour 1 up to even now has been followed by the words "and expected to rise."

Jesus. Everything is not a conspiracy.

[Duer 157099]

2. Sorta looks like a TSA screening

I'm sorry, gallows humor is setting in

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Mine set in three days ago... don't worry

[hlthe2b]

11. The irony is that, despite checking for radiation, those being checked

are not horrified by the tactics of those screening them. Sad irony.

[Hannah Bell]

4. sorry it didn't go nuke, nadin. sorry they're checking for radiation, would you

prefer them not to?

[PCIntern]

6. Now you're apologizing for the nuclear industry

since you are finished apologizing for the spy-on-kids-in-their-homes industry.

Anything ever bother you?

[Zoeisright]

7. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt

[Hannah Bell]

8. not apologizing for anyone. wondering why, rather than cheering

that things turned out pretty ok, so many people are so invested in further disaster.

[WinkyDink]

25. I'm thinking "pretty ok" is not quite warranted yet.

[Raine]

61. are they really "pretty ok" or are they lying

and down playing it ... that's my concern. Anymore I am skeptical of everything, everyone seems to have their own agenda because of investments of one kind or another.

[kestrel91316]

43. [phone]

[thewiseguy]

10. You need to stop this.

I think enough is enough.

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[Whisp]

29. ha! you got nerve calling anyone a twit.

ROLF

[thewiseguy]

9. Update: At least 9 people have been exposed to the radiation from plant according to Japanese

The Japanese NSA is saying there's a possibility at least 9 people were exposed to radiation from the Fukushima facility.

CNN is quoting NHK TV as saying there are 3 with radiation poisoning symptoms. They are checking more people.

[Hannah Bell]

12. that wouldn't surprise me a bit, as 4 people took a direct hit & one died.

does cnn quote nhk as saying these are workers, or citizens?

do you know?

[thewiseguy]

14. They were apparently people at a nearby hospital waiting to be airlifted

[Hannah Bell]

22. yes, i just read the article, which i will link, & i find the terminology used is

"radiation exposure" not "radiation poisoning".

radiation poisoning is an acute reaction to high exposure, starting with nausea & vomiting.

radiation exposure is exposure determined by test, not symptoms.

i don't know which is true, but i wouldn't report radiation poisoning unless that was the actual term used.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.nuclear/

On Saturday night, three patients at a hospital tested positive for radiation exposure, according to the Japanese public broadcasting station NHK, citing a statement from Fukushima Prefecture.

The three were randomly selected from a group of 90 hospital workers and patients who were already at the medical facility -- about three kilometers from the Daiichi plant -- before Friday's massive quake. The patients were outside of the hospital awaiting evacuation at the time of the explosion.

[thewiseguy]

17. Also, those 3 people were out of a pool of 90 individuals who were randomly picked

[Hannah Bell]

24. yes, which means they weren't picked because they were nauseous & vomiting,

i'd guess.

so far i know 3 people who were outside about a mile from the explosion were exposed to radiation.

that doesn't surprise me.

[thewiseguy]

28. BBC says 9 people are showing signs of possible exposure.

How do you care to spin this one?

2145: Reuters: The number of people exposed to radiation near Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant could reach 160, an official from the Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has said. Nine people have shown signs of possible exposure.

[Hannah Bell]

50. possible exposure is not = to radiation sickness. that's not spin, that's the truth.

it's not a bit surprising there "could be" 160 people with radiation exposure. why do you think that's surprising?

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. The report I dug that photo from, hours long

said no contamination... only clothes... (which was destroyed)

[jpak]

15. If they have symptoms it is a *hugh* leak - NOT GOOD

yup

[sabrina 1]

18. Got a link? Because all the news reports I'm reading are

saying the opposite. Where did you get this information?

[jannyk]

21. from the photograph and a weija board apparently. nt

[jannyk]

20. Not a 'Leak'. A 'Release' unfortunately they had not finished

evacuations when the release need became critical.

There is no fucking "Leak".

However, #3 reactor's emergency system just failed - so you may still get your wish.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. What wish? You really think a L-4 emergency is nothing

And for the record we hope it stays THERE and not goes higher.

[Hannah Bell]

27. no, no one thinks it's "nothing", and no one has said that.

people think it wasn't a complete nuclear meltdown with explosion of the reactor core and massive radiation release on the scale of chernobyl.

INES Level 4: Accident with local consequences

Impact on People and the Environment

Minor release of radioactive material unlikely to result in implementation of planned countermeasures other than local food controls.

At least one death from radiation.

Impact on Radiological Barriers and Control

Fuel melt or damage to fuel ­resulting in more than 0.1% release of core inventory.

Release of significant quantities of radioactive material within an installation with a high ­probability of significant public exposure.

Examples:

Sellafield (United Kingdom) – 5 incidents 1955 to 1979<4>

SL-1 Experimental Power Station (United States) – 1961, reactor reached prompt criticality, killing three operators.

Saint-Laurent Nuclear Power Plant (France) – 1980, partial core meltdown.

Buenos Aires (Argentina) – 1983, criticality accident during fuel rod rearrangement killed one operator and injured 2 others.

Jaslovské Bohunice (Czechoslovakia) – 1977, contamination of reactor building.

Tokaimura nuclear accident (Japan) – 1999, three inexperienced operators at a reprocessing facility caused a criticality accident; two of them died.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Nuclear_Event_Scale#INES_Level_4:_Accident_with_local_consequences

[jannyk]

32. Don't try and put words in my mouth Nadine. I know what a level 4

situation is.

However, I also think it is better to stick with the facts as they are reported and not spin our own interpretations as facts to 'juice it up'.

The situation in Japan is catastrophic on so any levels, it doesn't need any added drama.

We can attack the shit out of them if we find out they were lying - all the various International Nuclear bodies say they are not.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. Ok nothing to see here

all is well with the world... and nothing really serious is going on.

The photo is telling, they are testing people for exposure. You do not do that UNLESS you got material escaping, Got it?

[Control-Z]

26. Same photograph - different story

Radiation level has declined around nuclear plant, Japanese officials report


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fgw-japan-quake-radioactivity-20110312,0,1653345.story

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. I did not say what the story said right? Just ponted to the Picture

as it does not lie

For the record they DID HAVE A RELEASE when they vented the reactor. What do you think came out of it with the water? Among other things CESIUM, a classic for a reactor that has gone critical.

[jannyk]

35. we all KNOW they had a Release, a Release is NOT a Leak!

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Was cesium detected? Yes

have a good day

[Hannah Bell]

52. cesium means there was partial meltdown. the gov't already said so.

there wasn't complete meltdown. or an explosion of the core reactor.

per available reports. if there had been, radiation would be higher than reported & rising.

maybe they're lying. we'll know soon. but why not wait for confirmation.

what is your point?

[sabrina 1]

33. Thank you, the caption on the photo says that officials are

are checking people in the evacuation area. That makes sense since they did detect radiation levels to be higher right after the explosion. I would expect that kind of precaution.

Good to know those levels are now lower.

"The plant operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company ... has confirmed that the integrity of the primary containment vessel remains intact," the statement said.

The OP should include this link if there's still time. Photos with unofficial interpretations can be very misleading.

This link confirms what I am reading and seeing elsewhere. Don't see why they would like, they could not hide something like this and it isn't their fault there was a massive earthquake.

[Whisp]

30. What paper, what article.

for all we know that could be a movie set.

are you an expert in every fucking thing in the world?

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. EL universal Mexico

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/noticias.html

If you do read Spanish they are pretty good with disaster coverage too

[Whisp]

40. I get enough disaster coverage here, revolutions too.

you provide most of it. with baited panting expectant breath it feels like.

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[Whisp]

42. you already said you did, some time ago. nt/

[Ikonoklast]

62. North Korea sees its chance!

Invasion!

Hot war!!


TRENDS!!1!!!!1111!!


What a steaming pantsload, and the gullible eat it up.

[The Straight Story]

34. Meh, looks like the TSA patting down another terrorist here

;)

[sabrina 1]

39. The photo was published in the LA Times with a caption.

The article attached to the photo states that the levels of radiation have decreased. I don't know why people are rec'ing a post with no links that states the opposite of all other news reports so far. Opinions are fine but they should not be stated as if they were fact.

Checking people for radiation who are within the evacuation area, as the article states is what is happening in this picture, which makes absolute sense, does not mean there is a complete meltdown.

For the record, I am against Nuclear energy. I am also against inaccurate news reporting.

From the LA Times article posted above:

"The plant operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company ... has confirmed that the integrity of the primary containment vessel remains intact," the statement said.

[Tx4obama]

44. Breaking News !!!!

From Al Jazeera Live Blog
#
Timestamp:
6:37am

Yesterday, we reported that three people had tested positive for elevated radiation levels. That number has now jumped to 160, says a Japanese nuclear safety official.

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/japans-twin-disasters-march-13-liveblog

[upi402]

45. CNN reporting on trains

effing TRAINS!

[Paradoxical]

47. Likely from the dust cloud created by the explosion.

BBC reported that several people were exposed to radiation following the explosion as they stood on top of a hospital building near the plant.

[roamer65]

48. That core is definitely breached.

You cannot have a hydrogen-oxygen explosion of a containment building without damage to the reactor core.

[jannyk]

49. Neither so new or so unexpected

Reported by reuters and the BBC a while ago:

#
2145: Reuters: The number of people exposed to radiation near Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant could reach 160, an official from the Japan Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency has said. Nine people have shown signs of possible exposure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

Expected because they knew they had this group of people in proximity when they conducted the release - it could't wait - maybe it exploded because they waited too long anyway - who knows (that's just a guess). However, elevated radiation levels and radiation exposure are not the same as radiation sickness or radiation poisoning. It was expected, very, very unfortunate, but expected.

[Tx4obama]

51. What you posted says 'could'. What I posted says they HAVE tested positive. n/t

[jannyk]

55. that's because ine was hours old - but it got the number right - yes?

and the BBC only reports that which it can factually confirm.

[Hannah Bell]

56. yes, now which is right? do you know? how do you know?

al jazeera says "has", cnn says "could".

both quote the same japanese agency as their source.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=626401&mesg_id=627228

which is right? how do you decide?

imo, if you don't have good evidence for coming down on one side, you say "could" and wait for more confirmation.

[thewiseguy]

53. 9 people are showing symptoms of radiation sickness

per BBC. At least 160 were exposed.

To have radiation sickness you need to be exposed to 1 sv or more in a 24 hour period. The numbers reported yesterday were 1 milli sv. So they may have been off by an order of 1000!

[Hannah Bell]

59. please link us to the report saying "radiation sickness". first you said cnn

but when i looked up that cnn article, it said "exposure," not "sickness".

when i google "bbc" "news" "radiation sickness" i get no current hits.

please link.

[Hannah Bell]

54. and in the report linked by another poster here, it has the japanese

nuclear agency reporting that the number COULD reach 160.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=626401&mesg_id=626778

big difference.

which is it?

we don't know.

but the multiple, differing reports are how people get confused.

which is why it's best to wait for the official releases, as that's 90% of what all the rest is based on anyway.

currently nhk saying 3 people have been exposed to radiation, & nothing about 160 people, here:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv

i don't know whether it's an old report or a new one, so i wouldn't report it as though it were some kind of gospel truth.

[Tx4obama]

57. A Japanese nuclear safely OFFICIAL said it.

From Al Jazeera Live Blog
#
Timestamp:
6:37am

Yesterday, we reported that three people had tested positive for elevated radiation levels. That number has now jumped to 160, says a Japanese nuclear safety official.

[Hannah Bell]

63. the same thing is said in the cnn report, except the nuclear agency was named.

which is more authoritative?

hmmm.

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[B2G]

58. That little boy is very fortunate

compared to tens of thousands of his countrymen.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

64. Ok people we have many agendas at play here

including the Pro Nuclear power crowd... both here and in well.. Japan...

But this is serious, far from over, and to those who love nuclear energy... good luck selling it.

I know it's benefits, but boy when it fails... it is spectacular...

[B2G]

66. Actually, if they can shut these down successfully

It's going to be a pretty amazing thing they they withstood a 9.0 earthquake and a 30 foot tsumani...right on the coast.

[Rex]

70. It will be the biggest 'save' in recorded history.

The results of failure will bet a lot of people killed, let us hope they can pull it off and gain control over the situation.

[Tx4obama]

67. As of 2008, the USA had 104 reactors, that produced only 19% of our energy

it is NOT worth the danger.

CLOSE ALL THE NUCLEAR PLANTS NOW!!!

INVEST IN SOLAR and other alternatives ASAP!

[Xenotime]

68. I shutter to think of the horrors that away Japan.