Nuclear Energy is 100% Safe

[Truth2Tell]

:rofl:

[Swede]

1. Hulk and Godzilla agree.

nt

[PhillySane]

2. Homer Simpson

not so funny now, huh?

[Swede]

4. They were both created by accidental release of radiation.

:shrug:

[Truth2Tell]

11. ...

[Curmudgeoness]

3. Well, it is....

as long as you don't factor in natural disaster, acts of god, or human error.

[PhillySane]

8. And that shit never happens

right?

[katnapped]

53. Of course not!

And if it does, it's either Obama fault or "god's will" :sarcasm:

[PhillySane]

56. What is an act of God?

[Curmudgeoness]

76. Ask your insurance company. I think

it is the same thing as what happens when you mess with Mother Nature, but what do I know. But I guarantee you that your insurance agent can tell you all about it.

[PhillySane]

78. So I guess it's anything

the insurance man won't pay for?

[Kennah]

5. I'm good with the nuclear fusion of the sun

[PhillySane]

10. ditto

[Massacure]

6. I bet you can't name one person who died during the operation of a BWR or PWR.

Can you name one person who died during the operation of a boiling water reactor or pressurized water reactor?

[Truth2Tell]

9. yet. nt

[Scuba]

17. Nope, but the people of Chernobyl can.

[Johnny_dollar]

27. Did you mean die immediately or earlier than otherwise?

[Gravel Democrat]

50. Do 5 deaths at Mihama 3 reactor count? apparently it was a PWR

On 9 August 2004, an accident occurred in a building housing turbines for the Mihama 3 reactor.<1> Hot water and steam leaking from a broken pipe killed five workers and resulted in six others being injured. The accident has been called Japan's worst nuclear power accident.<3><4>

The Mihama 3 is an 826 megawatts electric, 3-loop Westinghouse type pressurized-water reactor (PWR) which has been in service since 1976. The pipe rupture occurred in a 55.9 centimeter (cm) (22 inch) outside diameter pipe in the ‘A’ loop condensate system between the fourth feedwater heater and the deaerator, downstream of an orifice for measuring single-phase water flow. At the time of the secondary piping rupture, 105 workers were preparing for periodic inspections to commence.<5>

A review of plant parameters did not uncover any precursor indicators before the accident nor were there any special operations that could have caused the pipe rupture. An investigation concluded that water quality had been maintained since the commissioning of the plant.<5>

Japan's previous most deadly accident at a nuclear facility took place at a uranium processing plant in Tokaimura, north of Tokyo, on September 30, 1999, when an uncontrolled nuclear chain reaction was triggered after three poorly trained workers mixed Uranium nuclear fuel in a bucket. The resulting release of radiation killed two workers, and exposed hundreds more to radiation above legal limits.<3>

The Mihama NPP started back up in January 2007 after making various changes and obtaining permission from Fukui Prefecture and industry regulators.<6>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihama_Nuclear_Power_Plant

[meow mix]

7. the DU Nuke Lobby is amazingly silent today nt

[PhillySane]

13. What do you want them to say?

Nuclear power is safe and clean, until you get hit with an 8.9 on the richter? Yea, lets take that risk. We can all handle it.

[pansypoo53219]

21. or need to dispose of waste.

maybe if we made small plants and got away from the fucking money making grid, we'd make a headway. now i think humans finally exticted themselves or it's back to horses.

[PhillySane]

23. Not a bad thing

Horses are very cool.

[WinkyDink]

42. Look up how polluted Western towns were with, shall we say, fecal dust in the air..

[PhillySane]

52. I've got four cats and a dog.

I know how to deal with fecal dust. Radiation, not so sure.

[roguevalley]

48. anything with byproducts deadly for 200,000 years is not safe. ever.

[closeupready]

74. Nuclear shills told us that modern plant design made disasters impossible.

They were wrong then, and they will be wrong now - a shill, by definition, pushes propaganda; truth is a secondary consideration.

[Codeine]

24. I'm not.

They seem to be dealing with it so far without any release. Meanwhile an enormous oil refinery has been burning out of control pouring filth into the air since the quake. Which has proven more destructive thus far?

[PhillySane]

37. Radiation

kills.

[NutmegYankee]

54. So does air pollution.

[PhillySane]

55. takes a little longer though

[NutmegYankee]

58. Absolutely.

Even more interesting is the release of Mercury from coal. This spreads throughout the environment and gets right into the food chain. It's scary how much damage is being done right now.

[PhillySane]

62. Fracking here in PA

contaminating Philly's water supply. Governor Corbett (R) just gave the drilling companies a free pass to keep on going. No taxes, no controls. Probably owes it to the bottled water companies.

[NutmegYankee]

66. I can't say i'm surprised.

Energy companies have been half-assing their wells for years. And now it's about to destroy the drinking water of the rural poor. What a bunch of sick bastards.

[PhillySane]

70. Philly is not so rural

1.5 million people with contaminated water.

[Renew Deal]

44. They weren't earlier in the day.

Besides, I appreciate the nuke lobby as well as everyone else on DU. :D

[defendandprotect]

60. If Obama continues to push to subsidize new power plants, I want a RECALL -- !!

[Teaser]

12. So's climate change.

.

[Ian David]

14. Sure it is. Just ask the giant, 50-foot tall Jimmy Carter...

[PhillySane]

15. Unfortunately

There will be no 50ft JC's. Just alot of people with cancer. And you may not be able to go outside for awhile.

[TheKentuckian]

20. Damn, I had forgotten 50 foot tall Jimmah (nt)

[Teaser]

16. your reaction is pathological, btw

You are apparently "rolling on the floor laughing" about a situation that has killed people and could kill more people.

Not cool.

[B2G]

18. +1

[PhillySane]

22. Not sure that's what the OP intended

wake up. Nuclear is deadly. Japan is going to find that out. We never learn from our mistakes.

[Teaser]

29. so if I go to the funeral of someone who died in a car crash

and start laughing and pointing Nelson Muntz style, while yelling "stupid fucker shoulda worn a seat belt"...that's OK behavior?

Because right now we're >300 funerals.

[Truth2Tell]

32. False analogy

When GW said there were WMD in Iraq, do you know what I did? I laughed at him. Laughed my ass off. Yet that idiocy of his cost 100s of thousands of lives, or more. So go figure. I stand by my laughing.

[PhillySane]

35. Do you think

that we just sit around and say this shit to be high and mighty, funny? Check yourself in the mirror. We've been telling you that nukes will fuck you up for 40 years now. So, now, we're all supposed to feel bad about it? Why couldn't you see the folly in that 10, 20, 30 years ago? Laughter isn't always a light response. It can also be taken as serious. I laugh when you say don't worry about it. Because YOU are the fool.

[Teaser]

61. who are you talking to?

certainly not me. I have forgotten more about the upsides and downside of nuclear power, how it works, and the engineering behind it than you will ever know.

Also, watch who you insult. Alertworthy.

[PhillySane]

63. Didn't mean you

personally. Sorry if it came out that way. I meant that if I laugh at someone who says something I perceive as foolish thought, I'm not really laughing. I don't think the OP is laughing at Japan's expense. Simply the foolishness of people who believe that nuclear power is safe. Hope that clears it up.
:)

[Teaser]

64. gotcha.

I still think the rotfl icon is in VERY poor taste right now.

that said, this is effectively the end of the nuclear industry. Unless we can get fusion working somehow. Although as a former physicist, I'm dubious.

We are in deep shit as a species, because none of the technologies that can get us past climate change via fossil fuels are ready to scale, except nuclear, and new nuclear plants are obviously a no go from here on. These were supposed to be "safe" plants built according to spec, unlike Chernoobyl. If redundancy doesn't work here, we really can't trust it.


If we could just get solar cells on ever square inch of every building, maybe we wouldn't be doomed.

[PhillySane]

65. I live in Philadelphia

We are only 100 miles downwind of Three Mile Island. You must remember what happened there. I've been anti-nuke since.

Why can't we put solar cells everywhere? Wind turbines too? Why the fuck not???

And rather than panic that we don't have enough energy to run our cars, tv's, phones, computers, heat and cool our houses and buildings to ridiculous temperatures just for comfort...the list goes on and on. This shouldn't be about finding more energy. It should be about using less. A lot less.

Peace.

:)

[Teaser]

67. I agree

I just don't think the human race is wired to be up the challenge.

Think about it: we're a hunter/gatherer species that hit it's stride during the ice age. Our instinct is to accumulate as much shit as possible to make sure we live long enough to have babies before we die of exposure or starvation. I don't think that really fits well with a need to plan 50 to 500 years into the future.

Hopefully I'm wrong. I have kids, so I guess I'm betting on it.


BTW, I'm in Philly too, and I can one up you: I used to live 4 blocks from TMI.

[PhillySane]

69. Problem is, we're too wired

A few less wires would help. Getting back to REAL hunter, gathering would be great! Think about it. We drive big gas guzzling SUV's to big freakin' box stores, fill up at one. Drive to another, fill up again. Drive home. Load up a refrigerator with really bad food, inside a house that is kept at a comfortable 72 degrees year round, TV's, computers and cell phones abuzz day and night.

I mean. It's crazy. How bout walking to a corner market for fresh local food once a day? Would that really hurt?

How bout reading a book (a real one, and you don't have to make more, there are plenty of old ones around. when done, pass it to a friend or sell it back to a used book shop).
I mean, there are plenty of old fashioned things, that really don't hurt you to try, and if you do it in the name of saving the planet, how bad could that be? You might even find you prefer it.

I'm off to hunt and gather a new old book at my local used bookstore. Enough of this computer crap.

au revoir

(maybe see you on the streets of Philly sometime!)

[kristopher]

79. You may know about nuclear power but you need to know more of the alternatives

Renewable energy can scale and is ready to deploy. We can fully move to a 100% renewable grid as fast as we can find the political will to do so. There are no technological significant obstacles and a transition to a distributed renewable grid can be accomplished both more rapidly and for less money than with nuclear.

What you've said is boilerplate misinformation sourced to the nuclear industry via the NEI and like entities.

Thought you'd appreciate the update; perhaps you'd like to browse this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x626150

[Truth2Tell]

26. I'm laughing at the people who

say such things. Sometimes I find humor in other people's idiocy. It's not everyone's cup of tea. But my rofl isn't about people being killed. Maybe get your "apparently" detector fixed?

[lonestarnot]

39. Now if everyone else on this thread understood the OP, why didn't you?

[closeupready]

75. Lighten up, Francis.

nt

[yawnmaster]

19. wind power is 100% safe...

Tell that to the millions of sweet song birds that are cut to ribbons by those rotating blades of avian hell.

[Cronus Protagonist]

25. OMG

Exaggerate much?

[yawnmaster]

28. okay okay...its 99% safe. eom

[Drale]

30. If it is highly regulated and everything is done by the number

it is safe, but the Russians liked to cut corners and natural disaster are an "act of god" uncontrollable by man.

[Truth2Tell]

33. uncontrollable by man

yet predictable by man

[kristopher]

80. You are aware of the difference between Japan and Russia?

There is no country I trust more with nuclear power than Japan. If they can't get it right, no one can.

[TheWebHead]

31. in the u.s., there are more geological options

they certainly aren't safe along the san andreas fault or japan, but there are areas where risks of an 8.9 magnitude earthquake are non existent. unfortunately today, there are no affordable forms of energy that are risk-free.

[FBaggins]

34. Nobody ever said that it was 100% safe.

NO power source is 100% safe.

Compared to other sources of substantial electricity generation (primarily coal, hydro, and gas) the safety level compares quite well.

Ever wonder what the results of an 8.9 earthquake could be to a major hydro dam? Does that mean they're not "safe"?

Natural gas plants explode violently (and, of course, so do homes with natural gas heat). Coal plants go right on killing many thousands with just plain old polution and risk killing many MANY more with climate impacts.

[frebrd]

36. 100% Safe. You Betcha!

I'd just love to have one of those things near me!

:sarcasm:

[Canuckistanian]

38. Thank God it wasn't a windfarm

One of those blades could have fallen off and hit a bird on the way down.

[FBaggins]

41. Any idea how large that wind farm would have to be?

Japan isn't exactly a huge country compared to her population.

The largest wind farm that I'm aware of spreads over 100,000 acres and when the wind is blowing the entire thing produces about as much as ONE of the six reactors at this plant.

Of course... the wind doesn't always blow.

[rdking647]

40. nuclear deaths

how many people have died in nuclear accidents in this country.?
how many people have die mining coal to run our power plants..

Nuclear is a hell of a lot safer

[fittosurvive]

43. Forgive me, but you have a miserable sense of humor.

[Truth2Tell]

46. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=619080&mesg_id=619410

[Zax2me]

45. So are coal...fossil fuels

Right?!

[jacquelope]

47. Have you read up on the damage done daily by coal power plants? n/t

.

[upi402]

49. Yes, I've been getting flamed here by the promoters of it

Sustainable practices and DER (Distributed Energy Resources) have never been given a fighting chance. I wonder why!
Solar for days, wind when it blows, methane and geo thermal for the rest of the time. And tidal by the sea. We could have a public works program that's a slam dunk. Tax the rich and confiscate our looted treasury to fund it all.

done

[Rex]

51. IT IS!!! WHY WON'T YOU LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!

It is the fallout that kills you!

[DemoTex]

57. Safe = Lie #1

Too Cheap to Meter = Lie #2

During the 1950s, nuclear energy proponents argued that nuclear power plants would be 100% safe and the electricity produced by nuclear plants would be too cheap to meter.

I join you on the floor ..

:rofl:

[defendandprotect]

59. Agree -- and as long as private interests control our natural resources we'll see reckless

decision-making -- strickly for profit --

Capitalism is suicidal exploitation of nature and humans --

Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime!



Patriarchy -- and its underpinning =

Organized patriarchal religion - and its economic system =

Capitalism =

Unholy Trinity

[tabasco]

68. Walking down the street is not 100% safe

Your post is stupid.

[SidDithers]

81. +1...nt

Sid

[miyazaki]

71. Thumbs down. I know you think your'e cute. Keep the idiocy coming

it's all your good for.

[Truth2Tell]

82. I'm honored

that you would come out of posting hibernation to make an ad hom against me of all people.

touch a nerve?

[LanternWaste]

72. Everything is 100% Safe

Everything is 100% Safe

[closeupready]

73. +1000.

nt

[jp11]

77. For some things it is.