Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

What really scares me about Japan's Earthquake:

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 05:23 PM
Original message
What really scares me about Japan's Earthquake:
When I first heard there was an Earthquake in Japan, my first thought was "so what's new?" This is Japan, not Haiti. They prepared for this. Hell, we in California send our seizmologists and engineers to Japan to learn - that's how good they are at it.

When I heard about the destruction, however - my stomach dropped.

This kind of Earthquake could (some say will) happen here in California. And no matter how much we prepare, no matter how many buildings are retrofitted, its all useless if one of these comes around.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 05:27 PM
Response to Original message
1. Its hard to avoid diasters like this
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 05:29 PM
Response to Original message
2. NHKWorld just showed a town of 70,000 that is completely gone.

Hopefully, some residents escaped before the tsunami.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #2
17. I saw that - they weren't sure if the people were dead or
evacuated. I feel terribly for all their animals, too, especially if they had to leave them behind.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cbdo2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 05:30 PM
Response to Original message
3. Yes, it isn't a matter of "if" but "when" and it will cause mass devastation in Calif.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. There is a chance that it will be a series of many little ones, rather thatn one big one
Although history leans on the side of the big one
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 05:40 PM
Response to Original message
5. I'm 90 feet above sea level.
I wouldn't be able to sleep if I was living near the beach.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 05:42 PM
Response to Original message
6. The power and majesty of nature
all of our hopes and dreams and plans won't mean much if, say, the Yellowstone caldera were to erupt

Most just don't realize how fragile all this civilization is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 05:44 PM
Response to Original message
7. Actually, it is amazing to me that the damage wasn't worse from this earthquake.
It seems the tsunami has been the real destructive force. That isn't as likely to happen in CA since the fault lines that pose the greatest danger are not out in the ocean.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. You're right
The truth is that were it not for the Japanese building code, it would have been a gazillion times worse.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 05:52 PM
Response to Original message
8. The same type of earthquake can happen off the west coast of US
Edited on Fri Mar-11-11 05:56 PM by Peter1x9
Northern California (north of Cape Mendocino) through Oregon, Washington, and Southern Canada is on top of a subduction zone similar to Japan and Indonesia. See this link for a very basic intro to subduction zones: http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Glossary/PlateTectonics/Maps/map_juan_de_fuca_subduction.html


According to several places, the subducting plate is currently locked and building up to a major earthquake (possibly 9.0+) that would impact the entire Cascadia region.
Here's one source I found, there are lots of them:
http://ajdubre.tripod.com/Physics/CascadiaSubduction-Sci-52501.html


It has happened in the past:
http://www.livescience.com/3990-orphan-tsunami-frightening-parent.html

Based on geologic evidence, scientists think that a massive magnitude-9.0 earthquake rocked the region sometime between 1680 and 1720. The quake must have lasted for several minutes because it caused parts of coastal Washington to plummet by as much as 5 feet (1.5 meters) relative to coastal waters.

Unraveling the orphan tsunami mystery paid off in two ways, Atwater said. The first was that it allowed scientists to pinpoint the date for the Cascadia earthquake with a precision that would have been impossible if they had relied only on geological and tree-ring evidence.

Secondly, it raises the bar considerably for what the magnitude of an earthquake occurring along the Cascadia subduction zone can be. The tsunami showed that the risk of a major earthquake striking the Cascadia region not only existed but that it had manifested itself at least once in the recent past, Atwater said.


Here's the Wikipedia article on it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1700_Cascadia_earthquake

Recent findings conclude that the Cascadia Subduction zone is more complex and volatile than previously believed. Geologists predict a 37 percent chance of a M8.2+ event in the next 50 years, and a 10 to 15 percent chance that the entire Cascadia Subduction will rupture with a M9+ event within the same time frame.<5> Geologists have also determined the Pacific Northwest is not prepared for such a colossal quake. The tsunami produced could reach heights of 80 to 100 feet (24 to 30 m).<6>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 06:01 PM
Response to Original message
9. Guess the irony is that they ARE the best prepared for this kind of disaster.
It was the tidal wave that followed the actual earthquake that did most of the damage.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 06:03 PM
Response to Original message
10. I hope to God I'm home...
I work on the 39th floor of a 60+ story building in Downtown Los Angeles... which has a fault going smack dab down the center... a fault that is long overdue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
yawnmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 06:08 PM
Response to Original message
11. Living on an active planet is often dangerous, but still much better than living on an inactive one.
although Mars may be an interesting place to visit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. We don't know if inactive planets cannot sustain life
Hell, I'd love to terraform the Moon and add water, atmosphere, etc.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 06:17 PM
Response to Original message
12. Even more info
The Great Cascadia Earthquake of 2xxx
http://geology.about.com/od/quake_preparedness/a/aa_cascadiaEQ.htm

Studies of past subduction earthquakes are inexact things, based on finding their geologic signs: sudden changes of elevation that drown coastal forests, disturbances in ancient tree rings, buried beds of beach sand washed far inland and so on. Twenty-five years of research has determined that Big Ones affect Cascadia, or large parts of it, every few centuries. Times between events range from 200 to about 1000 years, and the average is around 500 years.

The most recent Big One is rather well dated, although no one in Cascadia at the time could write. It occurred around 9 p.m. on 26 January 1700. We know this because the tsunami it generated struck the shores of Japan the next day, where the authorities recorded the signs and damages. In Cascadia, tree rings, oral traditions of the local people and geologic evidence support this story.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Throd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 09:52 PM
Response to Original message
14. Useless? Hardly.
We learn from every seismic event and become better prepared for the next one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. This is true - but preparing for a 9 is impossible
That is unless we live underground like hobbits

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
adigal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:32 PM
Response to Original message
18. A seismologist said "not in California" tonight
He said the San Andreas fault wasn't big enough for such a huge earthquake. But I think he said there is a fault big enough near Oregon. I didn't realize that.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. The Cascadia Subduction Zone runs from off the coast of northern
California to British Columbia. Last major earthquake was in January 1700. It was around a 9.0.

Since I live in Portland, I am very aware of the possibility of a major earthquake.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_subduction_zone
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:33 PM
Response to Original message
19. All that prep and retrofitting will be the difference between something
that can be rebuilt and something like Haiti. We'll be able to get an infrastructure up and running in a short time that will allow for rescue mobilization, logistical management, and emergency medical services. I for one am glad we have put effort into making things as resilient as we can.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
wickerwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 11:49 PM
Response to Original message
21. Yep.
Pretty much all construction and infrastructure is designed to survive a hundred-year flood or a three-hundred year quake, etc. Anything more would be too expensive to build and maintain (assuming it's technically possible in the first place). But the problem is, every three hundred years or so, you actually have that quake or flood.

Having said that, though, generally your odds are quite good (certainly better than being killed in a car crash on the way to work or dropping dead of a heart attack tomorrow). I don't want to live in a steel-reinforced bunker in Kansas, so the risk is worth it to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 11:39 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC