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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:10 PM
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Boycott Kasich Donors, Too
Hurt these fuckkkers in a way they understand- no fucking money
big list here
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/01/16/kasichdonors.html

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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:16 PM
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1. Boycotting donors is a brillliant plan. That is where protests should be
focused.
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LeftinOH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:23 PM
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2. "Citizens for Kevin Bacon"? ...waaaaay down at the bottom of the list. (Huh?)
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:25 PM
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4. I Think He Is a State Senator
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 02:59 PM
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8. He's my asshole State Senator & here is the email reply he sent
me have commenting that his endorsement of SB5 just cost him the 1st ever retraction from a FOP endorsement:

Thank you for contacting my office regarding Senate Bill 5. I apologize for the delayed response as my office has received nearly 23,000 emails thus far. We have read every email that came through my office.

First, I must emphasize that I have been and always will continue to be an ardent supporter of our teachers, fire fighters and state employees. There has been a lot of misinformation which has spurred fear and anxiety over this bill. As such, I hope that I can provide badly needed clarification.

Second, Senate Bill 5 does not eliminate anyone’s right to collectively bargain. The bill keeps collective bargaining for wages, hours, terms and conditions. It exempts management rights and requires all public employees to pay at least 15% of their health benefits. The bill also implements a merit-based pay system that will be negotiated and executed at the local level as part of the collective bargaining process. In addition, the bill will reform the appeals process when an impasse occurs in lieu of strikes or binding arbitration. The intent is to avoid giving too much power to arbitrators, especially those who are not local and do not understand the unique issues of the local taxpayers. No two municipalities, villages, townships or school districts are created alike and no two bargaining units are the same. As such, this bill gives local entities the flexibility to create the best system for their employees and for their locality.

Third, interested parties were consulted during this process and given the opportunity to provide feedback. Vice-Chairman Faber and I actively elicited suggestions from witnesses to provide us with ideas on how to improve SB 5. Furthermore, I met with union representatives, teachers, first responders and state employees. It should further be noted that the Insurance, Commerce and Labor Committee heard over 22 hours of testimony and met for a total of 23.5 hours on this bill. We heard from 32 proponents and 43 opponents and 36 people submitted written testimony. There were over 340 questions asked by both Democrats and Republicans during the committee process. As such, I believe the issues have been given thoughtful consideration.

Fourth, some constituents have inquired about the replacement of a member of the Insurance, Commerce and Labor Committee. Committee replacements are not within my authority as chairman. Such authority lies with the Senate President. My job as chairman is simply to manage the committee as presented to me on any given day and to facilitate the dialogue on bills presented to the committee.

Fifth, it should also be mentioned that Senate Bill 5 has received writer and or editorial board support from many newspapers including The Columbus Dispatch and The Wall Street Journal. Most notably, The Dayton Daily News, which has been an ardent protector of education, and the lower and middle class, supports SB5. Writer Ellen Belcher not only describes the need for SB 5 but also suggests that the bill does not go far enough. (The Dayton Daily News, Ellen Belcher, 2/20/2011).

Sixth, the legislative process surrounding this bill remains fluid. SB 5 is currently in the Commerce and Labor Committee in the Ohio House of Representatives. I will continue to work with interested parties and members of the House on the wording of the bill.

Finally, as previously stated, I have always been and will continue to be an ardent supporter of our first responders, teachers and state employees. I would never support legislation that would be harmful to them. A lot of fear has been generated by the distribution of misleading or false information.

Thank you, again, for your inquiry. Please don’t hesitate to contact my office in the future on this SB5 or any other items of importance to you.


Sincerely,

Kevin Bacon
State Senator
3rd Senate District

here is a reply to the exact form email that a friend sent him:

Please reread your third paragraph. Do you think we don't understand how power is collectively shared between unions and management. SB 5 changes the equation to make unions powerless. Your comments are insulting to me. As one of your constituents I am gravely disappointed. I expected, at the very least, a truthful reply.
Regarding your 4th paragraph, thank you for our thoughtful consideration. However, locking people out of the State house does not indicate an openness to dissenting opinions.
Regarding paragraph 6, you only refer to media outlets which support your stance; do you not read anything which disagrees with your position? This reference does nothing to advance your position since it is so readily refuted by other sources. I did not elect those editors; I elected you to represent me.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 01:24 PM
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3. Anywhere I can
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 02:00 PM
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5. I'm always amazed by the boycott lists here
because I rarely use the products or own the stock, anyway.

My dad was pretty smart about that. I only had to do a few minor tweaks (like dumping Comcrap immediately, a good move in a lot of ways).
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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 02:01 PM
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6. I Try To Be Conscientious As Well
though sometimes things slip by
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 02:52 PM
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7. Me too, but for a different reason...
If people want to boycott a company (or state or whole country) for their own personal satisfaction, OK.

But if they think they're going to do some real damage, I really have to laugh.


Not only that, but in the years I've been here, I've seen literally dozens upon dozens of people, places, and things be put on "Boycott this!!!" lists.

And nothing ever comes of it. Or seems to.


anyway, people can boycott away if it makes 'em feel good. Although I do have to wonder how anyone can remember whom they're supposed to be pissed off at, and whether the "boycott" ever lasts very long, but whatever...

However...if anyone thinks it's going to HURT these guys, really....

:silly:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 03:22 PM
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10. I just tend to pick and choose which weasel is getting my money
and try to choose among the lesser of many evils.

You can do what you want to.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:17 AM
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12. That's cool...
like I said, if people want to boycott because it makes 'em feel better, then by all means go for it.

But anybody who thinks their personal boycott is going to HURT these guys, really...

How horribly was BP hurt last year by all the "boycotts"?

:shrug:

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we can do it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 04:40 PM
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11. That Wisconsin Bank Took It Seriously Enough To Close Doors When Union
members withdrew their money. Another whiny why bother what can little me do comment.

Thankfully the people of Wisconsin don't have your attitude
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:27 AM
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13. Sorry you don't like my opinion but..
that's no reason to call it "whiny" and slap me with "I'm glad the people of Wisconsin don't have your attitude".

Stick to the issue and leave the personality attacks in the toy box where they belong.



In any case...those union members threatened a local branch of a bank that's not exactly Chase Bank.

They showed up in numbers in one spot. Now that's a boycott I can agree with.

They weren't anonymous posters on a discussion board just talking about a boycott of relatively huge corporations that don't give a shit if hundreds of them boycott their services.

Local. Local. Local.


Hundreds of flies on an elephant are merely annoying.

Hundreds of flies on a pig...now that's a problem.







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crazylikafox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-11-11 03:10 PM
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9. Johnson & Johnson seems to be popping up on all these lists
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:37 AM
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15. And thereby lies a problem...
Because if people really want to put their money where their mouths are, they'll boycott everybody on those lists

BUT

Johnson and Johnson make a whole lot of stuff.

Consumer products. OK people can avoid buying it.


But they also make medical products and diagnostics.

So is someone who needs medical care going to be picky about the type of product being used on him/her?

http://www.jnj.com/connect/healthcare-products/medical-technologies/

"Sorry, Doctor, but I have my ethics and I don't want you using this or that diagnostic machine or this or that medical device or drug".

Ummmm...yeah. OK.


I guess maybe I'm just too much of a cynic or something and that's why I look at large scale boycotts with skepticism and disgust.

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Lady President Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-12-11 10:32 AM
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14. That's ever major company in the area
This list makes me really sad because there is no way that I can boycott a few of them. I would have to quit my job and stop heating my house. Quite a few of the others I've been avoiding for years.
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