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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 03:39 PM
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Union workers "Overcompensated"????
I often have to pick my chin up off of the floor when reading letters to the editor, but one line from a letter in the March 6 Denver Post had my face so contorted I could have posed for Picasso.

That letter, written by one Patricia KC Anthone, asserted that "the level to which these (public-sector, union) jobs are overcompensated is legend."

Overcompensated? My kids' teachers? Our snow plow driver? Really?

I have a teenaged son and a preteen daughter, and they know enough about the world to know that there are some galactically wealthy people out there. And they further know that those rich people aren't their teachers or firemen…or parents, for that matter.

No, those kind of rich people aren't so accessible. They can be seen in the newspapers or on TV interviews wearing shiny shoes to match their shiny teeth. They have soft skin and clean fingernails and creepy, rich-guy smiles. My children can see, even if Ms. Anthone cannot, that no matter how these guys got that rich, one thing is certain. They did NOT work for it.

At a more tender age, my son once asked me sincerely if, because it seemed that people should get paid more money for harder work, or at least more valuable work like doctors and engineers, then what did people like the Koch brothers do, exactly, to "earn" all that money? (Of course at the time he used a different rich-guy example like Bill Gates or Queen Elizabeth.) Well, unless I allowed myself to be snarky and dismissive, something I try hard not to be around my kids, and say "They stole it," or "They sat on their fat, white, Christian asses smoking Monte Christo's and sipping Maker's Mark," I was kind of at a loss, so I mumbled something about needing to clean the bathtub, and sent him to ask his father.

My point here is that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the Koch's didn't "earn" their money at all. They do not work for a living and never have, unless you count all of that wrist work from writing checks to ever more grateful politicians.

And yet, according to Ms. Anthone, it is not the multi-millionaires who are "overcompensated" for their hard work, but the police officers, nurses, and meter readers.

And before you come back at me with, "But they need that money so they can invest it and create jobs," let me just respond…Bulshit! If they had any intention of investing any of their money in jobs out of their heartfelt concern for the country's middle class, they would have done it ten years ago when President W one-upped Reagan in the whole "taxes bad; Swiss bank accounts good" movement, and lopped off several more percentage points from the Koch's personal income taxes. Instead, they invest their new savings in something much, much more lucrative—politicians.

I don't know about Ms. Anthone, but my children don't need ten whole years to learn that they are being played like a cheap fiddle. The only jobs that those rich corporate jerks intend to create are in China, because, hey! why pay for healthcare for some line worker's asthmatic son when you can throw three dollars a day at a woman in China who will never complain, demand a raise, or—God forbid!—unionize because her oppressive government won't let her?

The really sad part is that Ms. Anthone is being pitted against her fellow citizens in order to fight the Kochs' fight for them. She's being told, "Watch out for those union folks. They want you to pay more in taxes so that they can have more money than you. Look at them. They get all of this vacation and overtime. Where's YOUR overtime? How about THEY pay more so that YOU can have more vacation, huh?!"

And so she blithely goes about railing against the unions, never once stopping to consider that taking away the collective bargaining rights of her friends and neighbors will not only have ZERO effect on her own financial well-being, but will most-likely make her poorer…much poorer. She doesn't understand that the rising tide of higher wages and better benefits for union workers also puts pressure on her own private employer to provide her with the same perks. Maybe that's just a few too many synapses for her tiny little brain to fire off at once.

Hey, here's an idea: How about, instead of trying to squeeze blood from the turnips which are Ms. Anthone and the union workers she envies, we tax the people who actually HAVE THE MONEY. Instead of demanding that unionized workers give up their rights, how about demanding that the Kochs give up some of their cash. Now, I'm not talking about "punishing" them for being wealthy. I simply mean that when you can afford to write millions of dollars worth of checks in order to get your elected officials to stand up and salute, then you can afford to pay your share of taxes, taxes on money that you did nothing to obtain.

So, the Koch's and their ilk, are essentially getting Ms. Anthone and her ilk to propose the following ultimatum to the American people: You want jobs? Fine. Just give up all of the hard-fought, hard-won rights like overtime, weekends, and a safe working environment, and stop whining about not making enough money. 'Cause, see, compared to people in China, you're overcompensated!
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 03:41 PM
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1. anyone who isn't on their knees, begging, is "over compensated...."
United we stand, divided we beg. Solidarity!
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Shandris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 03:48 PM
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2. Every half-hour on the radio they have a syndicated 'news check'...
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 03:49 PM by Shandris
...and on my way to some errands yesterday, I heard one from someone in Wisconsin. They had her quote/voice, and she was saying 'We understand why theyre upset, but we're all broke and they're going to have to lose some more too. We have to share the burden.'

It never fails to strike me JUST how much people have LITERALLY blinded themselves to the existence of an entire second class of Americans (well, two more classes of Americans including the truly poor) who aren't 'sharing' JACK SHIT. I just wanted to reach through the radio and strangle some sense into her (rhetorically!). But that's how well they've broken the ability of the average American to think beyond sound bites.

Edit: The part about the poor was simply in pointing out that they're overlooked, not to include them in the diatribe. Sorry for any confusion.
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kag Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 06:53 PM
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7. I hear ya'. n/t
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 03:51 PM
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3. I remember reading about the Jewish Capo's in Victor Frankl's book
The Jewish Capo's were Jewish prisoners who were appointed by their Nazi soldiers to oversee their fellow Jewish prisoners. Some of these Capos were more sadistic towards their fellow Jewish prisoners than the Nazis.

The Teabaggers are the Robber Barons' Capos.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 03:56 PM
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4. There is a theme beginning to develop which seems to be
underlying the Union Busting. Over-compensation coming
out of Wisconsin. In Ohio, "Competitiveness".

There appears to be a move among the Republican Governors
to compete with each other to get Businesses to come to
their states. I am sure all of you have heard about how
great Texas is doing and they are the most "business -friendly"
state. Here in Ohio Kasich sees the Union Workers and
making us non competitive. According to Kasich we lose
our jobs to other states.( I would say Nafta did more
harm than good in Ohio)_He seems to be saying we must
lower salaries, get rid of union rules in order to make
Ohio attractive to Business. Think about it Overcompensation
is another way of saying the same thing. The next step
my friend is Right to Work States. This is where we
have been headed all along.

Right to Work States. Highest Levels of Poverty, lag
in Education attainment, Lag on Health Care even Children's
Health. Simply put Lower Standards of Living.

There is a pattern especially with these New Republican
governors along with Union Busting--yes, great big
Corporate tax giveaways.
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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 03:56 PM
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5. Are we not supposed to W.in T.he F.uture?
It seems to me that the buzz-phrase tells us something, but do we know what? It is easy to fill-in meaning for slogans that are just process words lacking content.

Who will we be competing with now that we are told that the future is not assured for us, but something that might resemble a Roller Ball fight in order just to have one? When you consider competing against low-wage, disposable workers with no benefits and abusive, unsafe work environments, winning that future seems very unpalatable and even like a call to be a Third-world resident for the sake of our new Homeland.

How do we compete with increasing automation? That's a significant factor and not only is it already prevalent, the gains and technology will keep that sector growing and competing beyond our capacity as mere flesh-bots to keep pace.

So, on one front, we will have to give-up everything in order to compete for jobs that are never coming back and we seemingly must find ways to become powerful automatons who can work 24/7 without breaks or benefits. We really shouldn't need them in our new, bionic bodies, I guess.

That's a future I would rather lose. We have an end-game boondoggle offered in a hope and change style as our children are asked to race to the top. The top of what? A festering pile of decayed leftovers that leads to a cliff where they jump off lemming-style into the nothing that's left? Right.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 04:01 PM
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6. PO hasn't specifically said who he wants to win in the future -
my money is that the trust fund babies will continue to be just fine, and everyone else will be equalized to minimum wage. Or less.
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upstatecajun Donating Member (511 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 07:03 PM
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11. I have a trust
fund....its called Social Security that I have been paying into for 40 years....but I thin its been stolen.....:wtf:
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 07:45 PM
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12. yeah no kidding - along with the 401Ks ...
:mad:
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 06:55 PM
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8. I wonder what this woman thought of the Bush tax cuts
being extended. I have seen so many people bitching about union wages in the same breath as they spill tears for people who might have had to pay an extra 3% in taxes if they make $250,000 a year.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 06:56 PM
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9. everybody is overcompensated except for the Rich... now that's "rich"
Edited on Thu Mar-10-11 06:57 PM by fascisthunter
those making this claim live in tra-la-la-land
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-10-11 06:59 PM
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10. With CEOs "earning" multi-millions . . .
How does any worker become "overcompensated"? In the Free Market, that's just not possible. But if we're going to go around deciding that the wages and benefits this group of workers has negotiated for itself is "too much," when are we going to get around deciding that some of the boys at the top of the pyramid are making too much? Especially the ones who, when they finally get caught with their greedy, grasping hand too far into the cookie jar (Ken Lay, Jeff Skilling, Bernie Madoff, etc.), every last one of them pleads complete ignorance about what their company was doing. "Yeah, I was pulling eight or nine figures a year as 'compensation,' but damned if I know what was going on. Money just fell out of the sky into my pocket! No, I'm not giving any of it back."
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