Invasion of the US during hunting season

[bbinacan]

would be a BAD IDEA if you're the invading country.

The world's largest army? America's hunters
Monday, December 6, 2010

I don't spend my fall weekends tramping around the woods in pursuit of a buck, but a lot of my friends and neighbors do.

This blogger adds up all the hunters in just a handful of states, and comes to a striking conclusion:



The state of Wisconsin has gone an entire deer hunting season without someone getting killed. That's great. There were over 600,000 hunters.

Allow me to restate that number. Over the last two months, the eighth largest army in the world - more men under arms than Iran; more than France and Germany combined - deployed to the woods of a single American state to help keep the deer menace at bay.

But that pales in comparison to the 750,000 who are in the woods of Pennsylvania this week. Michigan's 700,000 hunters have now returned home. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia, and it is literally the case that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world.


His point? America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower.

Hunting -- it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security.


http://blogs.redding.com/bross/archives/2010/12/the-worlds-larg.html

[RKP5637]

1. Amazing! Never had thought about it that way! n/t

[Bigmack]

2. Bullshit... hunting people ain't like hunting deer....

the deer can't shoot back. With automatic weapons and mortars and arty and air and shit.

Dude with a .30-.30? I don't think so.

[Rage for Order]

4. Not only that...

There's absolutely no way that a bunch of primitive cave dwellers with rifles and improvised explosives could hold the mightiest military in the world at bay for 8 years.

[bbinacan]

8. Excellent point! n/t

[apocalypsehow]

11. LOL - he scores! Seriously, excellent point.

:thumbsup:

[XemaSab]

54. Not to mention a bunch of rice farmers living in huts

:P

[Bandit]

56. Or terrify an entire nation into giving up all their fredoms in the name of security..

:shrug: No Way in Hell...

[Kaleva]

7. Many hunting skills apply to military use.

Get to know the layout of the land. Study the habits of the target, be they deer or enemy soldiers. Use cover and camouflage. Ambush tactics. Practice with your weapon and then practice some more. Take good care of your weapon. The list goes on.

[TexasObserver]

27. This is a RED DAWN fantasy thread.

Much deer hunting involves shooting from a blind at a feeder. The hunting skills that once were required of hunters are not required of many now. They shoot deer at clubs that virtually guarantee a kill. Anyone with a high powered rifle and a scope can get a deer.

Most hunters go hunting only a few times a year. They don't suffer hardships. They're not under pressure. They certainly don't have to worry about being shot at, or rounded up and summarily executed.

[Kaleva]

31. See post #13

[TexasObserver]

34. see post #22 and #29

[alphafemale]

32. knowing the layout of the land is a big one

Everyone has always underestimated the Afghans at withstanding an invasion.

We should have learned that from our former/future indoctrinated enemies the Soviets/Russians

[Odin2005]

12. We thought the same thing about the Vietcong. And the Taliban.

An invading army would be no match to fanatical American guerrillas.

[Bigmack]

26. I'm racist...

I think the VC were a lot more motivated than we were... inventive, too. We needed a major supply effort... they used bicycles and a couple of balls of rice.

"Fanatical"... ? Those NRA, good ol' boys, would shit themselves against a real army. You ever read what those keyboard commandos in Freepland say?

Sorry.

I saw "Red Dawn", too... and laughed my ass off.

[Odin2005]

37. Wow, a lotta stupid stereotypes in that post.

There are plenty of us Left-wingers with guns, and we know how to use them.

Oh, and if any invaders get anywhere near Appalachia they are dead meat, the folks there may be backwards, but they know how to shoot and aren't wimps.

[quickesst]

47. I live in Arkansas...

...a state many here consider enemies than friends although there are quite a few of us who identify with the left, and are members of DU, and the progressive movement, and I wouldn't classify us or anyone including Appalachia as particularly backward, but given their living conditions, more ignorant. Ignorance not being a derogatory term as many people, including myself, are ignorant of many things. The meat they put in their freezer is what keeps many of their families fed, and those who look down on deer hunters as "bambi" killers show their own ignorance by not understanding that if the deer population was not thinned out by those hunters every year, you would have starving, diseased deer who would be in people's back yards scavenging through trash for something to eat. It just eats my ass wondering how the "I hate people for killing bambi" people are that goddamn stupid. As far as people who hunt and know the woods in case of an invasion by a foreign country? If the need for a guerrilla force becomes necessary, unless you know one or more of them, you better pray you can ally with some of them. They can keep you safe, know when and where to camp, and most are deadly with their weapons. They won't flinch when it comes to protecting our country, or our people. I don't hunt anymore, and I live a rather suburban city life, but I have relatives and friends who I would pack a few belongings, load up the car and head for in a heartbeat. Red Dawn, a joke to the "sophisticated" is more a lesson in what might keep you alive than a fantasy. I have handgun protection for my home, but faced with the threat of enemies at our gates you can bet your sweet ass, given the opportunity to acquire the appropriate weapons, and I can, I won't hesitate when it comes to pulling the trigger. Trembling and crying while peeing in your pants under an office desk won't do much good. Thanks.
quickesst

[Bigmack]

52. Yeah.. and a lot of trash-talking, "bring 'em on"...

bunch-of-accountant/deerhunters-turned-SpecialForces bullshit, too.

I don't deny it would be messy, but it takes a ton of training not to run like a bunny when in the shit.

[RegieRocker]

48. And that's no bullshit!

A 30.06 with a scope can anx a good marksman will hit a 1000 yard Target. That would terrify any invading Army guaranteed.

[rucky]

20. And they taste gamey. n/t

[Kaleva]

3. Maybe it's the guns that make americans so seemingly passive.

We know that if it gets really bad, the most powerful nation in the history of human civilization can be overthrown in one weekend by its own citizens.

I'd have to do some serious digging but I do recall reading reports that Germany and Japan never had any serious plans to conquer America during WWII (the best they would hope for is that the US would sue for peace at terms favorable to the Axis) primarily because it would be a task too daunting to subdue America as its citizens were so heavily armed and numerous.

[bbinacan]

6. I've heard the same. n/t

[freshwest]

14. I'd always heard that, too. The numbers are impressive when you look at it that way.

[krispos42]

23. If the American resistance was organized and dedicated

That is the hard part.


If the military can hold the air, and the Army can keep the artillery going, then millions of Americans armed with what are essentially bolt-action or semi-automatic sniper rifles (far more powerful and accurage on average than AK-47 and AK-74 rounds) formed to support and buttress Regular Army and National Guard maneuver units would be very potent. For example, the militia could provide fixed fire as the better-trained and more mobile military units maneuver to flank and envelop the invaders.

And if the countryside was swarming with snipers and bandits, it would force the attackers to move only in convoys and to patrol only in force, thus making logistics and establishing dominance more difficult.


But if the air can't be held, then they'll be slaughered where they stand and pushed back relentlessly.

[KillCapitalism]

5. The US could never be defeated & overrun by any military power.

Any invading army would suffer the same fate Napoleon did in Russia, and Nazi Germany did in the Soviet Union. This time of year, invaders would freeze to death in massive numbers.

[Odin2005]

10. Anyone crazy enough to try to occupy Fargo at this time of year would be insane.

Cold + Snow + Lots of hunters = PWNED.

[NeoGreen]

9. "You cannot invade the mainland United States....

... There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

An apparent bogus quote from Isoroku Yamamoto (1884-04-04 – 1943-04-18) who was a Fleet Admiral and Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) during World War II.

However, while maybe the Admiral didn't make the the quote, the quote itself has merit.

The US doesn't really need a standing army (as big as we have now) and this is one of the reasons why.

All we really need is an army big enough to train draftees if/as needed.

[alphafemale]

13. "WOLVERINES!!!"

Hell.

Somebody had to say it.

:D

[bbinacan]

15. Wow,

I didn't even think about that when I did the OP. :toast:

[alphafemale]

36. Maybe you're not of that "certain age"

Where this movie really made it the cult hit it became.

Of course then there are some...who take this as a really serious movie....

Small minority. They became tea partiers and now love SARAH!

Most. Love the farce.
.
Still. It may be that it's mostly people who graduated in the early to mid 80's that most identify with this film

[bbinacan]

61. I graduated college in 86

and remember the movie. The connection didn't occur to me until the movie was mentioned.

[alphafemale]

62. Class of '82 HS

Life kinda shanked college.

No real regrets about that, though.

I think I'm leading the life I was supposed to.

[Bonobo]

17. You beat me to it! Damn you!!!

But you are right, someone DID have to say it.

[KT2000]

16. All is see are the idiots

shooting dee in peoples' yards
shooting pheasants that were raised on a farm and released from cages. The poor pheasants are dazed and lost and the hunters feel like big shots for killing them. They show up in $30,000 trucks and several thousand worth of gear and clothing.
If hunters are all we have to save us - we are doomed.

[bbinacan]

18. Check you're reply

it's incoherent.

[Kaleva]

19. You need to expand your horizons.

It's illegal, at least in Michigan, to hunt in peoples' yards (unless they have one helluva big yard or the property owners have given written permission to do so). I know quite a few people that enjoy hunting grouse and none of the birds were raised on a farm.

[KT2000]

59. This is what I see

they do go into peoples yards to shoot deer and the law enforcement won't do anything about it. These are not hell of a big yards either. They go after the lounging deer. Like I said - all I see are idiots.

[KT2000]

60. Correction

All I see are the idiots.
Shooting deer in peoples' yards

I should have used spell check and that would have caught the second error.
My most sincere apologies for the errors.
I still just see idiots around here.

[hootinholler]

21. Therein lays the foundation of the second amendment. n/t

[TexasObserver]

22. Many hunters couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat.

They can't hit a deer standing at a feeder eating corn that's been there for months to lure the deer in, using a sand bag to steady a high powered rifle with a scope.

Shooting a deer that's eating breakfast at its regular morning spot is not facing down a platoon of armed, trained, relentless soldiers.

[bbinacan]

25. See reply #7. n/t

[TexasObserver]

29. see reply #27

[Kaleva]

28. Many soldiers can't hit their targets either.

The ratio of rounds expended to numbers of enemy killed or wounded is huge. The main focus in combat is not to try and make every shot a kill shot but to get the enemy to break. By either giving up or retreating.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

40. That's sure as hell not

how most people hunt in New Mexico. Permits are purchased and most hunters go their designated "area" (which is several hundred thousand acres, btw) and hike, camp out, and do all the rest of the things that hunters traditionally do when hunting deer.

[Statistical]

24. "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass."

- Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto (Commander in Chief of Combined Imperial Fleet - WWII)

[MadHound]

30. Hmm, 30.06's up against machine guns and armor on the ground,

Not to mention grenades and other ordinance. Also, let's not forget airpower.

Sorry, but the militia and home guard haven't been relevant since before the turn of the last century.

[Kaleva]

33. Then Afghanistan is winnable?

[TexasObserver]

38. Comparing American hunters to Afghan fighters is faulty.

There is simply no comparison.

[Kaleva]

43. Why? When many hunters are former military.

[TexasObserver]

44. American Hunters ....

Dick Cheney


Sarah Palin

[Kaleva]

45. Either of them former military?

[TexasObserver]

46. Former Military ....

Wolverines!

[Cirque du So-What]

50. Well, that's as unfair a comparison as has ever been made

How would you like it if someone attempted to characterize all residents of Texas with photos of Tom DeLay and Rick Perry? Or Charles Whitman and Henry Lee Lucas, for that matter. As for the rest of your screed in this thread, I find it very uninformed and prejudicial.

[TexasObserver]

51. The point is: don't overdo the "veterans" role in this topic.

I'm a veteran. I know all about hunting, killing and dressing game. Hunting is not like being in a war. It's hunting, and in today's world, it's soft and cushy.

I quit hunting 30 years ago for a variety of reasons, including that too many rank amateurs are out there in the woods with guns.

Most veterans have no background as ground troops. They were not involved in such operations when in the military, and they're certainly not fit to do so now. This is a RED DAWN fantasy thread, and those most angry are upset that their fantasy has been revealed as such.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

39. They would kill a lot of Americans to be sure.

And maybe our central government could be overthrown. But we would give them a hell of an insurgency, making it unwinnable in the long term for any potential enemy.

[Barack_America]

35. The woods of Pennsylvania? I see an awful lot hunting within feet of I-76.

Parked alongside the road everywhere. Set up in orange vests within site of the road. Even saw a man with a presumably loaded rifle and his young daughter walking about five feet from the interstate.

Pretty shocking. As my lifetime sportsman father said when I told him, "that shit just doesn't fly in Michigan".

Never had much respect for roadside hunters.

[XemaSab]

41. I'm frightened that this comes from the redding penlight

:P

[krispos42]

42. The pheasant season opener in South Dakota

It's the 3rd Saturday in October. Depending on the weather, you're either wearing pants, tee-shirt, and hunting vest, OR snow pants, boots, overcoat, gloves, and fur hat with earflaps. Could go either way.


You're with your hunting buddies in a field. It's a few minutes before noon. So you're gathered around the pickup trucks, checking your equipment, loading ammo, etc. There is NOTHING around you except your hunting buddies, corn and soybean fields, and a few trees marking the field boundries. Maybe some barbed-wire fence is visible.

No sounds of traffic, just the wind sighing through the stalks and over the gently rolling land.



You watch is counting down the second to noon, the start of hunting the first 3 weeks of the season. Any moment now...



Faint on the breeze, you hear it: tornado sirens wailing some miles away. Every community in South Dakota tests their tornado sirens at noon on Saturday, and now it marks the start of the hunting season.

Your hunting team moves out, forming a skirmish line and stomping through the brush and crops. Suddenly, you hear it... gunfire.

Lots of gunfire. Sustained, rolling gunfire.

From all points of the compass you hear the steady drumbeat of distant thunder as hundreds of shotguns open up on unwary pheasants. Soon, the sharp crack of your own party's shotguns lend a tenor counterbeat to the bass of the distant shotgun blasts.




It sounds like a World War Two air raid.

[tblue37]

49. Wasn't there a movie in which hostile extraterrestrials landed in LA and were blown away by

well-armed gangbangers?--or was that just a weird idea that passed through my head?

[SOS]

53. Our $750 billion a year military isn't sufficient for national defense?

The scenario:

Iranian navy lands at Hilton Head.
Overwhelms Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy and National Guard.
America lies helpless before the mighty invaders.
Call in the Michigan hunters!

What paranoia.

Real (and highly unlikely) threats will simply blow our cities off the map.
Imaginary foreign ground invaders are best left to
the deranged imagination of the guy who filmed the worst movie of all time: Red Dawn.

[Swede]

55. They'll round up the families and execute 100 civilians for everyone of theirs killed.

End of insurrection.

[Motown_Johnny]

57. ROFL.. sure, shoot your shotgun at a tank. I Dare Ya!!!

Freaking Stupid

[flvegan]

58. This is the stupidest thing I've ever read.

Shooting defenseless animals is one thing. Shooting at another apex predator that can shoot back is quite another. And if it just comes down to firepower, why is it about hunters and not just gun owners? Plenty of gun owners out here willing to defend ourselves that don't go play in the woods. Lots of ex-military that have actually defended this country that don't hunt. I'd rather stand next to them when shit goes down as opposed to Budlight Timmy that's only served time killing bambi.

[Dash87]

63. Well here's to hoping that testing that theory will never happen.

:)