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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-11 11:26 PM
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"Democrats are compromising between a Republican economic model and an even worse Republican model"
Edited on Sun Mar-06-11 11:35 PM by Better Believe It


Democrats Are Ceding the Entire Traditional Democratic Economic Ideology
by Laurence Lewis
March 6, 2011

The problem is that, on economic issues, DC Democrats have forgotten how to be Democrats. By making the Bush tax cuts their own, they have removed even from discussion the most obvious means of addressing any fiscal issues. And it isn't confined to the White House. Congressional Democrats are playing along by accepting those short-term budget cuts for a mere delay in the shutdown showdown, signaling as the White House already did with the tax cuts that the Republicans can get their way by playing hardball. But is it really only the Republicans' way? That's the question. And while some Democratic governors are attempting a more responsible approach, their efforts are being hampered by those Obama tax cuts:

Those Democratic governors deserve a lot of credit, because the politics of supporting responsible tax increases is not easy when a Democratic White House and its Congressional allies have removed tax increases from the federal conversation and are actually doing the exact opposite by promoting tax cuts at the same time they're ostensibly concerned about deficits. Tax cuts that are making the jobs of those Democratic governors even more difficult.

Whatever the budget resolution ends up being, you can be certain that it will be sold as a compromise. But it won't be a compromise. As it so often does, the administration ceded the paradigm from the start. A real compromise would include what now isn't even being discussed. A real compromise would begin by asking what the American people need, and how we are going to pay for it. Instead, the only debate will be about the depth and specifics of the inevitable cuts. And we likely will hear much about shared sacrifice from people who themselves will be sacrificing nothing. The Democrats are now playing on the Republicans' field. They are compromising between what had been a Republican economic model and an even worse Republican economic model.

It's bad enough that on economic matters the Democrats won't stand up for the values and models that once defined the party and by which this nation thrived for more than half a century, but they're now actually doing the Republicans' work for them. This enables the Republicans to continue moving even more to the extreme right, with the once fringe Koch model of anarcho-libertarianism now going maintream. The Democrats still control the White House and the Senate, but they have abdicated economic leadership and ceded not just a few issues but what had been their economic ideology. Keynesianism is, at best, dormant. For all the good the Democrats are doing for it, it may as well be dead. Austerity is now the norm. For the Democrats. As the economy continues to stagger, tens of millions of well-meaning Americans continue to suffer, and neither help nor an end is in sight. Grover Norquist must be pleased. Democrats are starving the government of funding, and Democrats are trending toward cutting it down to the size where it can be drowned in a bathtub.

Read the full article at:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/06/952834/-DC-Democrats-are-ceding-the-entire-traditional-Democratic-economic-ideology


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A Tax Cut May Carve Into the Budgets of 19 States
By MICHAEL COOPER
March 1, 2011

Struggling states could lose as much as $5.3 billion in tax collections during the next few years in an unintended consequence of one of the lower-profile federal tax cuts that President Obama signed in December, according to a report released Tuesday.

The tax-cut package the president signed in December is best known for extending the Bush-era tax rates for two years and giving a one-year payroll tax cut to most Americans. But it included a business tax cut that could blow a hole in state budgets: a provision allowing businesses to deduct the full value of new equipment purchases from their taxes through 2011.

That cut, intended to spur the economy by encouraging businesses to spend more money on equipment, could end up costing 19 states as much as $5.3 billion in lost revenue over the next few years, according to the report, by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, a research organization based in Washington.

The 19 states stand to lose money because they link their state tax laws to federal tax law. So the newly allowed federal tax deductions that businesses in those states take will lower their taxable incomes, which would in turn have the effect of driving down state corporate and income tax collections.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/02/us/politics/02taxes.html?_r=1&hp

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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:01 AM
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1. kR
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:19 AM
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2. If Dems had pushed Medicare For All, a Public Option would have been the middle
K&R
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:42 AM
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4. If Democrats had pushed Medicare for all, about 90 Senators would have laughed,
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 03:42 AM by BzaDem
the destruction of HCR for the next few decades would be a one-day story, and there wouldn't have been a single committee hearing in either House.

A public option wouldn't have even been mentioned, since the issue would have been dead long before anyone could have gotten into the substance.
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SharksBreath Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 08:34 AM
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7. That's where you needed a president to educate the country
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 08:41 AM by SharksBreath
that Medicare for all would have been the best thing possible for the economy and businesses.

It would have put us on par with all the other countries that are passing us by.

Imagine how many people businesses could hire if Health care was half the cost it is now.

Instead all we did was transfer billions of dollars of our tax dollars to the health care companies. '

It was a Republican plan sold by Democrats. Just like this budget crisis.

Their was a single payer plan in PA that saved the states billions of dollars.

Now the new R governor killed the program. The R's in PA are happy.

Yet they have no idea that their premiums are going to go through the roof for all the poor people that just lost their
health care.

The things that the Dems asked the Health care companies to do like not drop people or allow people to cover their kids until 26 could have been done without giving them billions of dollars.

The plan stinks and premiums are still going up. It's a Republican wet dream. We as democrats have no business supporting the plan.

You guys don't see the real picture. The Republicans are getting everything they want from Obama. They just act like they don't and then they get Democrats to support the positions they want anyway.

You've been played suckers. The last thing we should be doing right now is cutting spending. Unless it's the war and giving Corporations our tax dollars.

Cut the corporate welfare, raise taxes on the rich and end the wars. That's a trillion off the top every year.

Yet somehow the middle class needs to deal with spending cuts.

The Republicans have won and the Dems are giving them just what they ask for. Spending cuts unless the one's I mentioned should be the only ones on the table.

They are not. We are being played. Suckers.





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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:32 PM
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8. Sure seems like it
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ReggieVeggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:17 PM
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24. that's why we need a leader and a statesman
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:20 PM
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13. And that is all it takes to make Obama back down in fear?
A laugh? Not much of an executive, if that is the case.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:16 PM
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:06 PM
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28. Republicans and Democrats = 2 sides of the same coin n/t
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:54 PM
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25. Yep. nt
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:15 AM
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3. So very very true. When the country goes into the hopper again
Conservative Economic Fundamentalism supported by
Democrats.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:30 AM
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5. Yes. That is why I can no longer accept the excuse that the Republicans
are worse, so therefore you have to vote for this particular representative even though I do not agree with them. It doesn't stop us from going backward, it just adjusts the speed. We need to oppose them on the big issues of the economy and war.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 08:13 AM
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6. .
Edited on Mon Mar-07-11 08:16 AM by Bobbie Jo
:applause:

Well played.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 01:48 PM
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9. It makes more sense to say 'capitalist' rather than 'republican'.

For that matter just merge the two parties and call it the Capitalist Party, that would be honest.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 02:55 PM
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10. Also known as "The Money Party".
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:14 PM
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12. Yeah...

three cheers for Michael Collins, he's been ahead of the game.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 04:38 PM
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15. +1000.
:thumbsup:
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:54 PM
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26. Sadly true. nt
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Poboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:08 PM
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11. Recommend
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 03:27 PM
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14. There is no reason to compromise between an awful idea and a meh one
Taking tax increases off the table entirely has landed us in an awful mess. We can't even get some reasonable explanations on why higher tax rates were better for everyone from our leaders except for maybe Sanders and a few token progressives in the House. Forget about President Obama making that argument, he's in election mode.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 04:42 PM
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16. K&R-The Democratic Party has really changed since my youth,
and not much for the better.
The lesser of two evils is hard to get enthusiastic about.

mark
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AKDavy Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:15 PM
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20. Reject evil
The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Time to look for alternatives to the alternatives.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 04:51 PM
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17. My state stands to lose about $35 million, but they are reacting like it will be $35 gazillion.
They're putting a hiring freeze on teachers because 400 teachers quit, die, or retire every year around the state.
So, for the next 2 years, they aren't going to hire any teachers to replace them.

That's 25% of the total number of teachers in this state.
So, in 3 years, little Johnny won't only not be able to read, there won't be anyone to ask him to read in class when class sizes go from 33 kids a class to 60 kids a class.
Think little Johnny feels ignored in class now?

Just wait!!

The dropout rate will double, and the Republicans will be assured they will vote for Republicans for the rest of their natural lives because this move will guarantee a stupid electorate who will believe all the ridiculous ads shown on tv by our corporate-sponsored politicians telling us liberals hate America!!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:14 PM
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18. goldman sachs press release a week or so ago stated that...
if the republicans get their way the economy will go into a recession worse than the last one...which would be a depression.

obama wants to deal with the republicans?
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:14 PM
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19. This is what happens when you let Wall Street crooks
run the Democrat's economic policy.
Pathetic.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 05:38 PM
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22. By doing this, Democrats are guaranteeing a republican sweep.
People did not vote for Obama so that we would follow the agenda of the leader and party that he defeated.
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 06:12 PM
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23. K & R
Some times I just don't know what to say. Shit.
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cognoscere Donating Member (381 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 07:04 PM
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27. It's the Republican way. Put out a bill with hundreds of pages of crap in
it, take out a few pages of crap under the pretense of negotiation and compromise, and the Dems will go along, thinking they've scored some kind of victory by getting the Pubes to concede things they didn't care about in the first place. It's like on a TV cop show, when they pile on all kinds of charges and then offer to reduce/drop the lesser ones if the perp confesses to the charge they wanted to begin with.
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 08:44 PM
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29. I didn't know
that voting for "Change You Can Believe In" meant that the guy I voted for was going to change from a Democrat into a Republican.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-07-11 09:00 PM
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30. Sad K&R. //nt
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