Donnie McClurkin was just the opening act.

[Bluebear]

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[MountainLaurel]

2. Is that Jerry Falwell's spawn? n/t

[Bluebear]

4. It's JEB! Obama's walking partner tomorrow.

[MountainLaurel]

5. Couldn't recognize him

When he's sliming in from the side.

[Occulus]

20. WOW, look downthread.

You really poked the hive with this one!

:thumbsup:

[Bluebear]

39. A sea of deletions lol

[JTFrog]

61. Someone should put this OP out to sea. n/t

[Radical Activist]

63. Mission accomplished

?

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[NillaWafers]

6. Jeb Bush is a notorious homophobe. Remember when he was caught on tape?

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20021004&slug=jeb04
Nadine Smith, executive director of Equality Florida, a gay and lesbian advocacy group, called the comments "childish" and "locker-room homophobia."

Disgusting photo.

[Bluebear]

9. welcome to DU NW

[NillaWafers]

19. Thank you!

Long time observer of DU. I support you.

[bigwillq]

11. Hello.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[NillaWafers]

21. Thanks for the welcome! n/t

[ClarkUSA]

15. Billy Graham was a notorious anti-Semite but the Clintons appeared publicly with him & praised him.

They were also very close friends with Graham all their political lives.

Yet Jews weren't upset about it nor did they believe the Clintons were anti-Semites.

Because they knew better.

[NillaWafers]

16. What does Bill Clinton have to do with this photo? That's quite a leap there.

And who appointed you the mouthpiece for jews?

Speak for yourself.

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[dsc]

22. actually that is terribly misleading

His anti semitism didn't come out until 2002 well after Clinton was out of the White House. Here is one link showing that fact. http://www.rense.com/general20/billy.htm Here is another since I don't like the first source http://www.adl.org/presrele/ASUS_12/4048_12.asp

I can't find any link to any time before 2002 of Graham being linked with anti semitism nor any reaction to that link other than surprise. I know you like to blame Clinton first last and always but barring a crystal ball I fail to see how he, or anyone other than Nixon should have known this.

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[Skidmore]

8. FAIL!

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[Mimosa]

13. It's all about being 'in' with the powerful.

It doesn't matter what Obama says he personally believes. He wants himself and his family to be well integrated into the power structure. They'll et him have a 'liberal win' now and then. But when it came to challenging the health care profiteers Obama folded. Military Industrial Complex? You tell me. And outsourcing of jobs? NAFTA still rules.

[ClarkUSA]

14. No, it's about using Jeb as a prop for Obama's push to increase education funding by 11% .

Read about it here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=622973&mesg_id=622995

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[WonderGrunion]

23. President Obama is the "Father of GLBTQI Rights"

With the passage of the Matthew Shepherd Hate Crimes Act, the passage of the repeal of DADT, the declaration of DOMA as unconstitutional and the appointment of more openly GLBTQI Americans than any other administration President Obama has done more for GLBTQI civil rights than all other Presidents COMBINED.

Regardless of your own personal feelings, President Obama will be recognized by history as the "Father of GLBTQI Rights in America". And he will be recognized as such because his actual accomplishments demonstrate his "Fierce Advocacy". All Donny McClurkin ever did with Obama was a speech at one event. And we all know that speeches are just "Pretty Words", a "Fierce Advocate" is measured by his actions.

[dsc]

24. Do you have an iota of an idea of how insulting that post is to gay people

who actually worked for gay rights. No one would dare call Johnson the father of Civil Rights despite the fact that he signed a slew of Civil Rights bills. Does Obama deserve some credit, yes, but father of gay rights, give me an ever loving break.

[WonderGrunion]

26. Actually LBJ is considered the Father of Civil Rights in politics.

And I do realize that it is exactly as insulting as intimating that President Obama is a homophobe because of one appearance by Donny McClurkin.

[dsc]

27. I have never, not one single solitary time

seen LBJ called the father of Civil Rights (and you used the term without qualifier so don't dishonestly add one now).

[WonderGrunion]

30. Google comes back with over 2800 hits

http://www.google.com/search?q=LBJ+Father+of+Civil+Rights&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=LBJ+%22Father+of+Civil+Rights%22&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=ivns&ei=FjtzTZDgOoTMgQffus1A&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.&fp=c266d82fa0345d5f

[dsc]

32. congrats on posting the single most dishonest post I think I have ever seen

Not one, as in zero, of the hits on your first page (most likely to match) had LBJ as father of civil rights. Don't believe me, believe your eyes.

It is late and I have never posted a screen shot before and can't figure out how to now but seriously anyone reading this exchange go to his link. Breathtakingly dishonest is kind.

[WonderGrunion]

42. Odd, the link doesn't go to the page with quotation marks around

"Father of Civil Rights". Add the quotes and hits come up on the first page.

[DaisyDeedles]

49. How to do a screen shot on a PC

Hit "print screen" then open MS Paint. Do a control v to paste the image in the Paint screen. Save the image as a JPEG. To post it online you'll need a Flickr or other type of online photo account for a URL or embed code.

Hope that helps. :hi:

[Radical Activist]

54. It's what Hillary said during the primary.

Don't you remember the conversation about how change happens during the primary? Obama gave more credit to MLK, but Hillary gave more credit to LBJ?

[dsc]

59. that is flat out dishonest

she never said THE father as in the one and only person responsible for CIVIL RIGHTS, not the CIVIL RIGHTS BILL. That poster said that Obama was THE father of all LGBTQI rights. Clinton never said anything like that and for you to claim she did is totally dishonest.

[WonderGrunion]

64. The word "All" is not in my post. Why did you add it in?

Is it because everything I said was accurate and that was the only way to make it into a lie?

[dsc]

66. The implication was there by the use of THE

father and the fact you didn't even use the qualifier federal let alone restricting to the two bills actually passed. The fact is the clear, crystal clear implication of your post is that gay people did absolutely and completely nothing toward the passage of gay rights and that Obama did it all. That and the fact you couldn't even be bothered to look up Matthew Shepard's name tells me all I need to know about what you think or rather don't think about gay people.

[Radical Activist]

53. LBJ made many racist comments and had racist political allies.

In fact, it was his relationship with Southern racist Senators that allowed him to pass so many civil rights bills where others had failed. I suppose there's a lesson in there somewhere.

[readmoreoften]

25. Your post is despicable and offensive.

Nothing but Obama grasping for straws after 2 years of criticism. Father of LGBT RIGHTS? He supported Prop 8 for fucks sake! The LGBT community has is the "father" of our rights. We have no "father". We've been our own liberators for 50 years now. Obama wasn't even moved by a 200,000 person march. You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Yeah, and Nixon is the Father of Black Civil Rights.

[WonderGrunion]

28. The Matthew Shepherd Hate Crimes Act was signed almost immediately

His appointments have been ongoing throughout the two years of his administration. President Obama's actions have showed him as a consistent champion of GLBTQI rights.

And LBJ passed the Civil Rights Acts.

[dsc]

29. you are wrong on several counts

One it took the better part of a year for the Matthew Shephard act to pass (BTW please at least bother to learn to spell his name). Two, LBJ signed, he didn't write or pass the Civil Rights Act.

[WonderGrunion]

31. A typo and a quibble about phrasing?

OK, you got me on those. :eyes:

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[WonderGrunion]

41. I would think you would check my posting history and journal before sayning that.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6914522

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6859992

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5902452

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=221&topic_id=149273

The first three are in my journal. The final can be found with a simple search.

[trumad]

46. Honestly I might have spelled it with two P's.

Now you're not going to tell me I'm against GLBT rights are you? ;-)

[Starbucks Anarchist]

34. No, he did not support Prop 8.

http://crooksandliars.com/julia-rosen/prop-8-campaign-misrepresents-obamas-p

While his opposition to it combined with his position against gay marriage is wishy-washy and wrong, the simple fact is that he certainly never supported Prop 8 in the first place.

[readmoreoften]

35. Correct, he said at one location he was for it and at another that he was against it.

He may have not wished it into existence (I'm sure more because of his political aspirations than LGBT suffering) he literally gave it support (as in, girding it) by saying "yes" and "no" simultaneously and trying to play political games.

Some "Father of LGBT Rights"

[Starbucks Anarchist]

36. He never said he supported it.

The way you phrased it, it sounds like you're saying he explicitly agreed with it.

[Bluebear]

38. I've seen it all now.

[Radical Activist]

57. I don't think Hillary would agree with you.

Look at all the credit she gave to LBJ for passing civil rights laws? You remember her talking up LBJ over MLK in the primary don't you? She gave LBJ much credit despite the fact that he had to be pushed and pushed, far more than Obama has had to be pushed. You lack historical perspective.

And no, Obama never supported prop 8. It makes me wonder how much of your anger toward Obama is based on misunderstandings like that one.

[AtomicKitten]

79. Media Matters: Pres Obama did not support Prop 8.

SUMMARY: Fox News' Bill O'Reilly and Dennis Miller falsely suggested President Obama supported California's Proposition 8. After Miller described a call to his radio show in which the caller suggested that "had Obama been a California resident," he "would have voted for Proposition 8," O'Reilly stated that the caller "probably listened to The Radio Factor and then called you because we had said that." In fact, Obama opposed Proposition 8.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200902260001">Media Matters

[Bluebear]

37. Fucking disgraceful. nt

[WonderGrunion]

44. And yet an entirely accurate portrayal of this administrations record

Why does that upset you so much?

[DaisyDeedles]

50. Why are you so insensitive?

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[Occulus]

43. I read your post and got a little dumber

Who the fuck are you trying to kid, anyway?

Do you think we're all too goddamn fucking stupid to know better?

[WonderGrunion]

45. I'm sorry, is there a dispute with any of the facts in my post?

You act like we should all just know that President Obama is a homophobe and hates the GLBTQI community when the facts prove quite the opposite.

[Occulus]

47. Your opinion would be funny if I thought you weren't serious

as it is it's just sad

[Radical Activist]

51. A fierce advocate is measured by action.

You mean, until the desired action is taken. Then the goal posts are moved and some other measure is found.

[Radical Activist]

56. We know that Hillary Clinton would agree with this statement.

Given her comments in the primary about the important role Lyndon Johnson played in the civil rights movement, while Obama made the case for change from the bottom-up.

[dsc]

58. I doubt she would have called him THE father

as in the one and only father, the only one who did a god damn thing. Incidently he still hasn't retracted that. Yes Johnson deserves a lot of credit for the Civil Rights passing as Hillary said and got called a racist for I might add by the likes of you and that poster. But she never said he was the father as in the only one deserving of credit. Gay people like David Zepher to name one from DU deserve a ton of credit for living out lives and education heterosexuals. He and others like him are the father of gay rights, not Obama.

[Radical Activist]

62. So you agree with Obama.

I take a more movement oriented approach so I liked Obama's bottom-up focus on the movement as opposed to Hillary's focus on LBJ. In general I don't expect the initiative for change to come from a President. I want a President who will respond to movements and Obama has done that.

[WonderGrunion]

65. Interesting interpretation of what I said.

If a radio broadcaster refers to a musician as the "Father of Modern Jazz", I don't interpret that as meaning that no one else contributed to modern jazz. Just that he was the most influential person in that movement. That's why President Obama, by his actions is the "Father of GLBTQI Rights" in politics. He has done more than ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS COMBINED on that civil rights issue.

[dsc]

68. and yet again not even one single solitary mention of the fact gay people

might have had something, or God forbid, nearly everything to do with gay rights. People like my uncle who lived as an openly gay teen in a PA mill town in the 1950's. People like Harvey Milk who got murdered after being the first elected gay person. The notion that any straight person, let alone one some two decades after the start of our civil rights movement, is somehow the most influential person in the gay rights movement. Dan Choi alone deserves about a thousand times more credit for the end of DADT than Obama does.

[DaisyDeedles]

73. Preach it!

While I have much love for my straight brothers and sisters who support the cause it is not they who risk their very lives, every day, by living their lives openly.

[WonderGrunion]

75. I agree and the posting in my Journal says so

You should really read some of what I've written in the past. I would expect that from another of the original Deaniacs on this board.

[NillaWafers]

71. Shameful.

[Safetykitten]

74. Horrifying statement. Just so over the top offensive it's beyond comprehension.

[donheld]

80. Please tell me you don't really believe that rubbish! Father my ass!

[The Philosopher]

81. Obama is not the Father of our civil rights.

He didn't found any organizations to fight on our behalf, he didn't push our rights as his main goal in office, he didn't walk the streets on our behalf, he didn't call out homophobic people or their rhetoric, nor did he daily speak in the most public format about how our rights are being denied and what should be done to rectify that injustice. Instead, we got a preference for a religious value in law over our rights, we witnessed questionable moves in regards to our rights in the law that were justified time and time again by supporters, and we saw aftermath movements that we benefited from.

Founders initiate movements or eras. The President has done neither in the context of LGBT rights.

[Jamastiene]

82. OMG

I cannot believe you said that. Don't insult us that way and expect any pats on the back for it. That was a shitty thing for you to say.

[QC]

84. We've just sat around designing fabulous gowns and elaborate dinner parties all these years,

don't you know?

Thank goodness someone came along and saved us!

[Ignis]

85. How many of your many gay friends agree with that assertion?

:shrug:

[Ignis]

86. What a seagull post!

If you're going to make bold, sweeping claims (with a healthy dose of "FU whiners!" tossed into the mix), it would behoove you to deign to return to provide support for those nuggets of wisdom.

The alternative reeks of cowardice. :thumbsdown:

[cliffordu]

48. Unrec.

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[LWolf]

55. I assumed that at the time. nt

[JTFrog]

60. Some folks have a whole haystack full of last straws. n/t

[ecstatic]

67. I don't think hate is infectious

I think love is. Jeb does not have the power to turn Pres. Obama into a hateful person; on the contrary, I think Obama can turn Jeb into a less hateful and more thoughtful person.

I understand how frustrating it can be to see Obama in the same room with certain people but you have to focus on the bigger picture.

[Bluenorthwest]

69. Interesting theory. But many wise elders have taught me to judge

a person in part by the company they keep. Not one wise elder has taught me that politicians have powers to 'turn' another person into something they are not. Such magical powers are seen as silly superstitions, the sort held by anti-equality sky worshipers.

[alfredo]

72. If Jeb decides to run for President, his primary opponents will show

photos of him with Obama. Obama just destroyed any chance of Jeb winning the Republican nomination.

[BlueRidgeProgressive]

76. How are Donnie McClurkin and Jeb Bush related?

Opening act of what exactly?

[Bluebear]

77. Welcome to DU!!! How did you stumble upon us?!!!

[FreeState]

78. They are both outspokenly homophobic

and both have been given positive air time by President Obama. Many GLBT persons find both so offensive that they should not be given the time of day by the President, as it gives both credence to their followers, and both Bush's and McClurkins comments have been used to tell children homosexuality is wrong and changeable.

[KamaAina]

83. Jeb! is so much more than just a homophobe

Imagine if DimSon had had more than two functioning brain cells. Jeb! is just as evil -- but not as stupid. :scared:

[SidDithers]

87. So much for good faith and mending fences, eh?...

:thumbsdown:

Sid

[Canuckistanian]

88. Yup. Gotcha. n/t