Why are Women so Angry?

[nolabear]

Quote from previous OP: “Sorry ladies. In the age of PlayStation 3s, 24-hours-a-day sports channels, and free Internet porn, you are now obsolete."

Oh honey, and you're mad that women aren't gazing at you with adoration? Sometimes I'm amazed the species doesn't die out.

[leftstreet]

1. oh my

:popcorn:

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2. You had better share that friggin' popcorn

I'll bring the Pepsi.

[Liberal_in_LA]

4. lol. Diet coke for me

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6. Well, will Diet Pepsi work?

(LOL)

Haven't had a beverage with sugar in years!

(Like a lot of women I know)






:hide:

[leftstreet]

10. But won't it give you a stroke? There was a thread...

Stick with beer

:toast:

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11. It's 2:30!

Not 3:00.


:P

[CTyankee]

22. My mother used to say "It's 5 o'clock somewhere!" when drinks were rolled

out around 4:30. Funny, how five o'clock became the standard time at which you could start with cocktails...to this day, I don't serve any wine before 5 p.m. and no drinking after dinner, either. I don't know where these rules came from...

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23. Probably a Jimmy Buffett song.

My guess.



:P

[CTyankee]

27. No, this goes back to the 50s. It was stylish to have "cocktail hour" in your home.

My parents were fond of "highballs" which I thought smelled disgusting. Wine is just so much nicer and better for you...

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34. Was kidding

:)

I do believe a couple episodes of "Bewitched" where Darren got a nice cocktail when he got home from the Ad agency.

[seabeyond]

25. when people use to universally get off work. after work. 5. but i hear ya

i do the same too. not before 5 like it is some rule or something

[CTyankee]

36. It's amazing to see people in Europe having wine at all hours of the day in

little cafes. No wonder some cultures have a little "time off" after their midday meal...they shutter the shops at around 1 pm and don't return til 3 or 4.

[seabeyond]

37. sleepy. i have picked up on it though. i stay up late. get up early. lay down

for a quickie (nap) midday. doze for ten and ready to go

[CTyankee]

40. Yup. I started doing that after I retired. It doesn't take much to recharge your batteries!

[gkhouston]

24. Hey! If you've got popcorn that frigs, you'd *better* not be bogarting it! n/t

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30. You'd butter not talk about popcorn in that manner.

Popcorn has feelings.



http://www.theonion.com/video/ear-of-genetically-modified-corn-begs-for-death,19344/

[dionysus]

56. i got beer and cupcakes

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57. Cupcakes? In this economy?

Mr. Moneybags, must be nice.







:D

[jberryhill]

65. He bought them with food stamps...

Might as well round things out here.

[uppityperson]

67. +1

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72. Perfect

10.00

:applause:

[Mopar151]

86. Yeah, but it was at the day-old store

Scored some English muffins, couple of loaves of multigrain - for the price of 1 loaf at the Quicki-Mart.

[WilliamPitt]

69. I-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-incoming!!!

:)

[neverforget]

71. I always find these threads late

:popcorn:

[tblue37]

91. Notice that the thread has been completely hijacked and is no longer even

vaguely related to the OP.

[neverforget]

99. Ain't that the truth

[gauguin57]

80. Please hold the butter & salt ...

[Liberal_in_LA]

3. ruh roh!!!

[EFerrari]

5. LOL

Well, I thank dog I'm no longer responsible for anyone's 24/7 quality entertainment. Somehow, I'll survive.

:rofl:

[Lyric]

17. What got me most about that thread was the sheer ego it takes to complain

that SOME women expect "equality plus" (with the plus being stuff like opening doors, paying for dinner, etc.) when SOME men expect "equality plus-plus-plus"--as in, equality when it comes to both partners working full time, but then expecting the "pluses" of a clean home, hot meals, organized kitchens, washed-and-folded laundry, cared-for children, and the countless other tasks that women do FAR more often than men.

Are DU men different? Do they help out more? I'm sure that they do. This is a liberal site, after all--it naturally attracts a more-egalitarian-than-average crowd. But the article wasn't talking about DU--it was about society at large. and in society at large, women are expected to work as many hours as men during the day, and then come home and work in the house at night, with husbands and boyfriends who lend a token hand now and then but who rarely, if ever, do 50% of the actual, complicated work of maintaining a home and family. There are a lot of women who don't complain too much because their husbands are generally good people, and of course, they love them. But come ON--really? You're going to complain because she expected you to pay for dinner, and then two years later when you're married, you have NO problem with coming home, plopping yourself in front of the computer or TV, and tuning out the universe until it's time to eat the dinner SHE made for you (on the clean dishes SHE washed, on the clean table SHE polished, in the nice home that SHE maintains, with the children that SHE risked her life to bear for you), because your day was "stressful"? :eyes:

Really, the hypocrisy just makes my head spin. Today's "Angry Men" do NOT want to have a "gender privileges" pissing contest with women. They WILL lose.

[EFerrari]

21. In the grad English program I was in, we used to laugh

about how we couldn't schedule working groups during mealtimes because most of us had no "wives" and we had to make arrangements for kids and spouses just to get out of the door. And among us were the women's studies, psych, anthro, film and English faculty of Berkeley.

[Confusious]

33. As a male, I only have one issue with your post

The part about "the children that SHE risked her life to bear for you" is a little over the top. This isn't the 1940's or the 1540's. If someone dies in childbirth these days, it's because of other factors, the same factors which could effect men. i.e. I was reading about one guy who plopped over dead at 36, leaving two kids and a wife.

If you want to complain about your body being bent out of shape to give him those kids, or carrying them around for 9 months, or the pain of childbirth, that I can understand.

[Lyric]

42. Pregnancy itself is life-endangering.

And sometimes there really is no "other factor". Pregnancy is an incredible strain on a woman's heart, lungs, kidneys, and circulatory system. All the risks of pregnancy are not confined to birth. Sometimes just BEING pregnant can induce fatal complications. Read up on conditions like pre-eclampsia, eclampsia, gestational hypertension, obstetrical pulmonary embolism, and placental abruption, to name just a few. These are conditions that require pregnancy to appear, and can kill you. There are others that might not kill you outright, but can in some cases damage your body so much as to shorten your life (like gestational diabetes, and the damage it can do to otherwise-healthy kidneys).

Your blood volume increases dramatically during pregnancy, and as a result, your risk of having a simple stroke, a ruptured artery, or cerebral hemorrhage goes up as well. Your heart enlarges and has to work a lot harder, so your risk of heart failure (either during pregnancy or later in life) goes up. Simple morning sickness, if unrelenting enough, can kill you by dehydrating you or causing an electrolyte imbalance that screws up your heart's rhythm. And all of this doesn't even count the hundreds of things that can go wrong and kill you during the actual *birth* of the baby.

There's a reason why abortion is safer than carrying a pregnancy to term. And furthermore, one the most important reasons why reproductive choice MUST belong to women alone is *because* of all of these potentially-fatal complications. You really DO risk your life to carry a baby to term--and nobody should be able to force you to take those risks against your will.

I understand what you were trying to point out, but I do hope you'll consider the issue a little more carefully. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but your post kind of minimizes the risks that women take to bear children, and their courage in the face of those risks.

[Mojeoux]

47. *100%

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55. Which is still 1.

:shrug:

[Confusious]

60. I understand what you're saying

But I still say you're blowing it out of proportion.

There were 342,900 deaths during or after pregnancy, worldwide. Of that, less then 1% are in the developed world, which is 3,249 in North America and Europe.

If you take the total number and divide it by the population of the world, your chances are .005% percent. less in the developed world.

Women don't die in childbirth much anymore. It's rarer then getting hit by lighting. Which men have a 4x chance of, BTW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maternal_death

As i said before, you would have a point if this was 1511, not 2011.

One other thing about it taking years off their lives. Women live longer then men, pretty much everywhere these days. My grandmother had two children and is 96. Her mother lived to be 110.

Not having children would extend her life so she could what? live to be 120? My grandmother doesn't want to end up like her grandmother, not knowing who is visiting or what year it is.

We all have our problems, none is greater then the other. The men in my family have problems with cholesterol. My father is on multiple drugs for it. My mom, none. I take more medications then my grandmother.

[uppityperson]

66. Women do die from pregnancy. Pregnancy can also set them up for serious health problems later

hypertension, diabetes, varicose veins leading to blood clots leading to heart attacks and strokes.

From your wiki link
"In the United States, the maternal death rate was 11 maternal deaths per 100,000 live births in 2005"


http://mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa_05/pages/0425lb.htm
4 million plus 2003
http://mchb.hrsa.gov/whusa08/hstat/mh/pages/233lb.html
4.3 million 2006

Means around 5000 women died in the USA in 2005

[Confusious]

83. hypertension, diabetes, varicose veins leading to blood clots leading to heart attacks and strokes.

Those things also kill men at a high rate, not just women. I should know, I had hypertension, and I wasn't even 40 yet.

Women also get benefits from pregnancy, it's not like you're carrying something that gives nothing back.

Just from breast feeding:
* Less risk of breast cancer, ovarian cancer, and endometrial cancer.<10><14><58><59>
* A 2009 study indicated that lactation for at least 24 months is associated with a 23% lower risk of coronary heart disease.<60>
* Although the 2007 review for the AHRQ found "no relationship between a history of lactation and the risk of osteoporosis",<14> mothers who breastfeed longer than eight months benefit from bone re-mineralisation.<61>
* Breastfeeding diabetic mothers require less insulin.<62>
* Reduced risk of metabolic syndrome<63><64>
* Reduced risk of post-partum bleeding.<54>
* According to a Malmö University study published in 2009, women who breast fed for a longer duration have a lower risk for contracting rheumatoid arthritis than women who breast fed for a shorter duration or who had never breast fed.<65>

"Means around 5000 women died in the USA in 2005"

Which means your chances are .01%. I had a higher chance of dying young as a male.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just don't give me the victim attitude. We all have things that will kill males, we have things that will kill women. I really hate the attitude of "They're yours when they're bad, mine when they're good" I assume both people wanted children. So you didn't "GIVE them." you wanted them also.

Unless I'm wrong and she didn't give a shit about the kids

[uppityperson]

89. " just don't give me the victim attitude." Oh. Kay. 5000 women dying show "victim attitude".

Pointing out that women experience severe health issues from being pregnant is giving you the "victim attitude"? Good grief.

Women do die from pregnancy. Pregnancy can also set them up for serious health problems later, hypertension, diabetes, varicose veins leading to blood clots leading to heart attacks and strokes. And around 5000 women died in the USA in 2005 from being pregnant or in giving birth. Yes, they all have SUCH a "victim attitude". You seem to be saying that because men may have a higher chance of dying from something, that these 5000 dead women are giving you the "victim attitude"? :eyes:

You wrote:
If you want to complain about your body being bent out of shape to give him those kids, or carrying them around for 9 months, or the pain of childbirth, that I can understand.
Now you say:
I assume both people wanted children. So you didn't "GIVE them." you wanted them also.
So, which is it?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

96. Don't forget life saving C-sections.

I have one child. If I had not had a C section I would have died. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

C-sections are not a luxury or a convenience.

The hole in my pelvis was too small to let a baby out. It needs to be four inches in diameter. And I do NOT have any skeletal abnormalities. I am a small person with small bones and a narrow pelvis.

I had an eight pound full term baby who was jammed in diagonally.

My Ob-GYN was smart enough to know that I had to have a C section. I went into labor at term and had a C-section which saved my life.

There are some natural childbirth nuts who insist that ALL women can have a vaginal delivery. That is simply not true on a mechanical level.

Back in the 19th century one third of women died in childbirth, either from needing a C section or from puerperal fever (vaginal infection from doctors not washing their hands, which became septicemia).

[Lydia Leftcoast]

88. Indeed, I know two women who nearly died in childbirth

due to hemorrhaging. Just because doctors were able to save their lives doesn't mean that they weren't in danger.

[AnneD]

50. Spoken by someone that has never experienced child birth....

Squeeze something the size of a watermelon out an opening the size of a lemon and see how you feel. Better yet I have a watermelon right here and I will be happy to assist you.

And they wonder why women have hemorrhoids after childbirth.

Edited to add....since the advent of cordless vibrators, men have been obsolete for some time now, especially since I got a kitchen step stool. :rofl:

[JuniperLea]

58. How many babies have you had?

I've had three, and I'm here to tell you, pregnancy is dangerous as all hell... THEN there are the "minor" issues of the strain of carrying a 20lb hot water bottle on your belly 24/7 for 9, the excruciating pain. Hell, I always figured I got off easy because I didn't get varicose veins, but all combined, I got up and barfed my guts out every morning for two solid years... with such force that I had broken blood vessels on my face and chest.

Other than that, yeah, what a bunch of fucking whiners!

[seabeyond]

61. and really, when they tell you not to left over a certain wieght... dont left over a certain weight

lifetime issues result. they are serious. i didnt want to be a wuss, and the whiney preg woman. should have done what they told me.

[JuniperLea]

62. Umbilical hernia...

Ugh... prolapsed uterus... double ugh... there are a lot of risks, no question.

I had the hernia and had to deal for months. Fortunately, I had a tubal right after childbirth... it was time, my third... so I asked the surgeon if he could sew it up on his way out. He thanked me for the heads up and said he'd go in and out that hole and close it up. Ugh. My belly button hurts just thinking about it!

[uppityperson]

63. Fail. Men don't get eclampsia, have seizures, get diabetes when a woman is pregnant.

"If you want to complain about your body being bent out of shape to give him those kids..." Right. The only thing a woman should complain about being pregnant is her body being bent out of shape to "give him those kids" etc.

Good grief.

[Confusious]

82. Nice exclusion there

I listed other things there, but you took the most shallow one to prove I'm wrong.

A little dishonest, don't cha think?

[uppityperson]

90. Glad to see you admit your point was shallow. Congratulations. nt

[JuniperLea]

92. Yep. It sure as hell was shallow...

And you should be ashamed.

[uppityperson]

64. psst, we don't "give him those kids" but risk our health and life to bear them.

you can't be series. Tell me you are just joshing.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. I have to wonder what culturally fucked up corners of the country some of you live in, honestly.

Granted, PDX is unique, blue, and liberal (thankfully) but honestly? I'm out there in the families-with-little-kids trenches and I know VERY FEW family situations that mirror the ones you describe. The women I hear about who seem to chafe the most at improperly communicated expectations regarding housework, kids, work and the rest all seem to be -without exception- 1st generation immigrants whose husbands seemingly are carrying the baggage of other cultures.

In my kids' immediate circle we have at least 2 lesbian mom families, several stay at home dads, and a whole gaggle of people splitting the work/caregiver balance in a number of creative ways. I think it's extremely rare to have a situation where "Dad" comes home from work, pops on his slippers, fires up a pipe and snaps his finger for the wife to wait on him as he pets the dog. At least where I live. The educated, professional women around here wouldn't stand for it.

[eridani]

85. He: Why don't we try different positions tonight?

She: OK--you stand at the sink and wash the dishes, and I'll sit on the sofa and fart.

[SoCalDem]

93. The fallacy is that relationships are 50-50

Yesterday we had our 41st anniversary, and I can say with all honesty that there have been times when this marriage has been 90-10...on BOTH sides :)

We have each others' back, always...but there are times when things are just not fair:)

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

7. K&U&IBTL

[JVS]

8. Technically that's a quote from an online response to an article that was quoted in an article...

that was discussed in a previous OP. :crazy: My head hurts.

[nolabear]

45. LOL! I had to go back after I posted to note that it was in the OP. Guess that wasn't enough.

[patrice]

9. 24/7 Enzyte-Cialis-Viagara advertising and we're suprised men can't handle the real thing anymore?

[arcane1]

12. This man can!

:silly:

[patrice]

13. Good for you! - And I do still know a few who can too! One just has to wonder why no one

seems to be wondering why those products are apparently so necessary to so many.

[arcane1]

26. I believe the "necessity" is profit-driven n/t

[patrice]

59. You know? You're probably right about that. I just CAN'T believe it's that bad for so many of

our men.

Like a lot of other meds, people are quite possibly taking things they don't really need, but they DO like.

[sarge43]

14. Fine. Now we ladies can cull the herd and select the best breeders.

Those of us who want kids can used up those breeders; the rest of us can get fat and happy. We'll see who's obsolete.

IBTL

[WatsonT]

15. Um, don't you realize this is a double standard?

The other post was ok, because it broad-brush smeared all men.

That is acceptable.

You may not do the same to women.

[devilgrrl]

16. Why? Did some rightwing reactionary eat a bunch of crayons and shit a book about the sexes?

eom

[JVS]

18. yup

[blondeatlast]

20. Very, very likely so. nt

[Rex]

19. Bullshit.

None of those things equals the joy of good company. Anyone that says otherwise lives in cyberspace.

[NuclearDem]

28. Epic DU shitstorm in 3...2...1...

[seabeyond]

31. nah. it is so stupid, who is going to be bothered. QUIT BEING SO ANGRY. nt

[NuclearDem]

32. I AM NOT SHOUTING

[seabeyond]

35. REALLY.... lol. nt

[seabeyond]

29. this person probably thought he sounded pretty right on. he sounds sad and pathetic and most men

wouldnt want to project that as their life.

really rather funny

[Arkana]

38. Well, let me tell you somet--wait, what?

:popcorn:

[Poll_Blind]

39. So they toss it and leave it. And I pull up quick to retrieve it

Words to live by. Anyone who thinks you can replace a woman with that crap doesn't deserve a woman in the first place.

PB

[Lyric]

43. ....

:loveya:

[LiberalEsto]

41. Because you don't pick up your socks

and put them in the hamper, where civilized people put their socks.

Obviously you are not civilized, you are a barbarian, and I'm not even going to get into how your mother raised you to be such a slob.

Furthermore, would you please for once in your life put a coaster under your beer can!

[Dash87]

46. Because someone took away my snickers bar!

You jerks!!! :)

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48. Skidmarks

Never enough Shout!

[nolabear]

49. True Confession Time: Most men and women I know are aces.

That quote made me roll my eyes bigtime and get my back up over the stereotype, which certainly does exist in reality, and which pisses me off when I encounter it in the flesh. It's stunningly objectifying and I feel sorry for the objectifier and any woman who thinks she's made for that. But men who aren't that way are a few of my favorite things. I do think y'all guys can be willingly clueless, but it's just your way of getting taken care of, and if there's tit for tat (let it lay there; I know you people) then it's just what human relationships are made of.

[ieoeja]

51. Because it's that time of the ...

... election cycle right after a Rebublican victory leaving all good women feeling a bit frustrated and helpless knowing there is little they can do to stop the next two years of disaster?

[City of Mills]

52. There's a lot of hurt and angry men and women

There, I tried to sound profound. Truce?

[seabeyond]

53. lol lol. after the third, fourth thread on this stuff... really, i am feeling better about the

gender issues.

[jdp349]

54. stupid spinoff thread of stupid thread that was stupid is stupid

[WinkyDink]

68. Our men-folk are sent to die in foreign lands.

[uppityperson]

70. now, now, now honey. Just sit down, take a valium and relax.

don't worry your pretty little head and remember to smile! You look so much better when you do!

[seabeyond]

73. god... how many grown men, in a lifetime, has told me to smile. geeesh.

what was that.

[uppityperson]

74. An ex used to tell me. I finally had a sit down talk with him as to why it was offensive

If you can't accept the fact that I am not smiling happy all the time, grow up. Don't be condescending, etc etc etc. You want me to lie to you? Wtf?

Indeed.

[shanti]

75. face it, we're ALL angry!

:eyes:

[1776Forever]

76. Really? Why are men so angry?

Now in the days of "smart" women who excel at anything they try (even though most are not paid a fair wage) it is now time for men to realize they aren't needed to be bread winner anymore. I have a great girlfriend in her 40's that has no boyfriend, no children, and no mortgage and believe me she is VERY happy! I am pretty happy too with my grandchildren and 5 sons who I am so proud of. Your comment doesn't sound like the women I know.

:yoiks:

[notadmblnd]

77. Oh, I have a sister that is very bitter and I am so tired of hearing her man bashing

She feels she's been dealt a rotten hand in life. Her husband divorced her after 18 years of marriage (apparently he woke up one morning and discovered she was a bitch). Her life has been downhill since. NO, she doesn't do drugs or drink much and to tell you honestly, I think he left her because she quit doing all that stuff. she was a bartender for over 20 years and a damn good one at that. When she decided to get away from that environment (drinking and drugs) and could no longer afford to keep him in the style to which he had become accustomed, it crushed her. She attempted suicide. At the hospital, her ex pretty much dumped her on us (my other sister and me). she had no insurance, so she didn't fit the "criteria" for mental health services and was released to me.

She's been with me for about 10 years now. Her attitude is so bad towards everyone that she can't keep a job. She is manic depressive. Still has no insurance, so she still can't get the help she needs. I've talked to her till I'm blue in the face trying to convince her that hateful and vindictive attitude is hurting no one as much as it is hurting her. At this point I'm at a loss on how to motivate her to let the anger go.

So, in the meantime, every person on earth (especially men) is regarded by her as inferior.

[TBF]

78. Because they pay attention to what is going on around them?

:think:

[Raine]

79. It's unfair for men to have all the anger

I'm taking my share. :grr:

[flvegan]

81. Obsolete? No way. Someone's gotta do the cooking and cleaning.

:hide:

I kid, I SWEAR!! :rofl:

Just adding some snark to the thread. I want to be in on this one.

And yes, for the record, I've always done the cooking, cleaning, etc...so there.

[eridani]

84. Women aren't angry because we seldom run out of D batteries n/t

[saras]

87. Passive Darwin award?

"Sorry ladies. In the age of PlayStation 3s, 24-hours-a-day sports channels, and free Internet porn, you are now obsolete."

This guy has just qualified himself for the first passive Darwin award.

He's so stupid he doesn't need to destroy his ability to reproduce, because he's just too stupid to reproduce.

[arbusto_baboso]

94. And the days of sperm donors and artifical insemination don't make MEN obsolete?

I think BOTH genders just need to get the fuck over themselves and realize that as humans we ALL need each other.

[seabeyond]

97. from your lips to..... i hear ya. nt

[a la izquierda]

95. I'm a girl...

woman, whatever, and I'm happy as hell. My husband is great, I have three sweet dogs, I'm about to finish my PhD and I'll hopefully have a job I love next academic year.

Just don't get me behind the wheel when idiots are on the road. Then I become slightly psychotic.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

98. kick

Bringing my iced tea along.