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natrlron Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:28 PM
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Obama pre-2011 had much in common with Carter
Edited on Sun Feb-27-11 02:36 PM by natrlron
Before you jump on me for making what to many will be an outrageous comment, let me explain.

Carter came into office with a box-full of well-developed ideas to address the nation’s problems. But Carter knew he was ahead of his time and his party. He was a fiscally conservative Democrat at a time when that was anathema to the Democrats. And so he was reviled by Teddy Kennedy and the liberal Americans for Democratic Action led by Joseph Rauh.

For that reason, Carter surrounded himself by what was termed the “Georgia mafia.” These were people he knew and trusted from his days as Georgia’s governor. The problem was that they didn’t know their way around Washington, they didn’t know how to work their own party’s members of Congress in order to advance Carter’s legislative agenda.

Despite Carter’s success at reversing – until Reagan took office - America’s dependence on foreign oil and despite all his good ideas, Carter is viewed by most as a failure as president. In the end, his presidency was defined by the Iran hostage crisis.

Obama certainly did not come to the presidency with a set of policies that were out of step with his party. But he did come with a perspective on government that in many ways was out of step with his party’s members of Congress. As he often said, he was against business as usual. And if there’s one thing you can say about the House and Senate, it’s all about business as usual. And so, with the exception of his financial policy advisors, he surrounded himself with his “Chicago mafia.”

These advisors for the most part had little or no experience in Washington and didn’t have a very good appreciation of how things worked, especially in the Senate. Rahm Emanuel was the one exception, but although he certainly brought with him expertise regarding the House, he also brought with him a perspective on Obama’s legislative agenda and a personality that at times did not serve the President well.

The result was that while Obama ultimately achieved major legislative accomplishments during his first two years, those accomplishments did not benefit him politically and in fact were at a huge cost to his presidency. Instead of focusing on the economy and jobs, he proceeded full-steam ahead with health care reform. Instead of taking the lead on that bill and other matters, he left things to party leaders on the hill, which resulted in watered-down everything. And he lost a Carbon Cap and Trade bill because his team didn’t communicate properly with the Senators who were negotiating the bill.

The end result was that no one was happy with Obama, not Democrats in Congress, not Independent voters, and certainly not his core constituency of progressive Democrats who were expecting so much from him and felt sold out. And the Republicans were given a huge PR spin opportunity, which they exploited as only Republicans can.

In a way, the economic crisis … which both Democrats and Republicans, including the average man on the street, agree was not caused by Obama … is his Hostage crisis. He will end up being known largely for how he handled or didn’t handle the crisis. How the millions of unemployed Americans were not helped much by his policies. How he found out too late that there is no such thing as a “shovel ready” project. And how, on the other hand, even though the Wall Street bailouts were necessary to save the economy, they resulted in investment bankers doing fabulously well while Main Street suffered.

The outrageousness of this to the average American is so strong that Obama’s success at getting financial system regulatory reform passed meant nothing to them. He got absolutely no positive bounce from that accomplishment … not because the measures were watered down and would not accomplish many of the things he had originally wanted, but because regulatory reform doesn’t say much to the average voter.

Now, if some of the Wall Street big shots had gone to jail, or at least been prosecuted by the Justice Department for their nefarious deeds, that would have been a huge feather in his cap and the American people would have rewarded him.

Of course so many things can change between now and the 2012 election. But if things are pretty much as they are now, I can just hear the Republican candidate in 2012 reprise Reagan when Obama disses Bush and the Republicans for the financial crisis … “there he goes again” … and the American people will agree.

For comment on more topics, see my blog, http://PreservingAmericanGreatness.blogspot.com


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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:33 PM
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1. Ouch - "the economic crisis...is his Hostage crisis"

I think you're right

Interesting post!

Welcome to DU
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natrlron Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:40 PM
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2. Thanks
I just noticed that I forgot to put a link to my blog at the end of the post (it's fixed now). You might find other interesting posts there. http://PreservingAmericanGreatness.blogspot.com
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:42 PM
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3. Obama doesn't compare to Carter.
Obama is a consummate politician. Carter was a statesman.
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natrlron Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:15 PM
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8. Yes and no
I don't know how consummate a politician, as opposed to a campaigner, Obama is. He and his staff have sure messed up on occasion in their dealings with Congress, especially the Senate. But you're certainly right about Carter. He was a statesman. It has always pained me how many people, including many Democrats, that he was an absolute "0" as president.
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:42 PM
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10. Agreed -- especially in light of how prescient Carter turned out to have been n/t
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 02:47 PM
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4. Fine analysis, natrl; thanks.
One disagreement: I don't think Prez O will 'diss' Bush, but hope Dems will diss repugs for their past, current and expected to continue failure to take any real, serious action to improve things.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 03:08 PM
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5. Both Carter and Obama are "fiscal Conservatives" ...
So is and was Clinton. Many people confuse Carter's life as an Elder Statesman with his time in the White House. He's done some incredible things as an Elder Statesman. But he was never a flaming liberal.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 03:28 PM
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6. Carter was a fiscal conservative - Clinton and obama
Are neoliberal.

There is a difference.
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natrlron Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 04:50 PM
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7. True
Carter was not a flaming liberal ... thankfully! And neither is Obama. There's nothing inconsistent about being both a fiscal conservative and a liberal. In fact, from my perspective, it's the only responsible way to go. Now of course, there are fiscal conservatives and fiscal CONSERVATIVES. I'm obviously referring to the former. Not the flaming conservaative Republican version.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-27-11 07:32 PM
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9. Thought provoking post. K&R.
I will say that I believe Carter delivered on what he promised. He was a Southern conservative and that's how he governed. Same with Clinton... welfare reform was no surprise as that's what he had advocated in Arkansas.

With Obama, the rhetoric has not matched the reality, whether on tax breaks for the wealthy, EFCA, Wall Street accountability, or the mortgage meltdown. That's what irritates so much.
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