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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:44 PM
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Question for historians: how did America become so apathetic ?
IIRC, back in the 1880's people regularly went to rallies and public speaking events. I was surprised to read this, because I had thought Americans were always massively apathetic. Thanks for your time.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:45 PM
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1. Does what went on today all over the country look like apathy?
Sure doesn't look like it to me.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:47 PM
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3. No, only referring to the usual status nt
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:46 PM
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2. "Ya want me tah supersize that for ya?"
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:48 PM
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4. Consumerism and rampant exteme individualism...
Began in the 30's and was fully functioning by the mid 70's.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:49 PM
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5. The workers had their mouths stuffed with gold.
Those people who went to rallies 130 years ago spent 75%-80% of their incomes on food and shelter.

Their lives were far more precarious. Those with little to lose have little to stop them.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:50 PM
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6. IMO too many good years after WWII, little competition, egotism and highly successful brainwashing
of the masses from Reagan on. ... but I'm not a historian.

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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:52 PM
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7. I blame heavy metal
I know it ruined me.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:56 PM
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8. Television is America's version of the Roman circus
Americans spend more time watching American Idol than the news and the American Idol format is how low info voters think about politics.


Also, when the Democratic Party under Bill Clinton passed the free trade acts, they signaled to America that the Democrats were pro-corporate, just like the Republicans, but what worked for Bill Clinton doesn't work for ordinary working Americans, who were the backbone of the Democratic Party. Since many of those Americans lost their jobs to Mexico than Indonesian than to China, they fell back on their religion. Many of them were practicing Catholics or conservative Protestants. Those religions are socially conservative and those who were once the backbone of the Democratic Party became the right wing extremists or Teabaggers of today.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:02 PM
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10. +1, n/t
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 04:57 PM
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9. Lots of reasons.
Suburbanisation, the rise of mass entertainment media, rising living standards, the decline of social cohesion and fracturing of any real sense of community...all of these things lead to apathy and disconnection.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:03 PM
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13. +1, n/t
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cpamomfromtexas Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:02 PM
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11. If people are underpaid and broke they spend more time worrying about food on the table
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:03 PM
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12. very true nt
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:04 PM
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14. I blame the Breakfast Club (The movie).
Anthony Michael Hall plays a nerd who (snort) VOTES. He even has a fake ID so he can vote - what a LOSER!

I swear that turned off an entire generation to the political process. Maybe I'm being facetious, but maybe not.
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The_Commonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:06 PM
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15. Television.
It scrambles people's brains.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 06:34 PM
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23. huh?
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Drale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:09 PM
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16. There was no TV or Radio
so if you wanted to hear peoples opinions you went to rallies.
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:10 PM
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17. We take too much for granted.
Edited on Sat Feb-26-11 05:16 PM by Brigid
I have become quite taken lately with the little-known but impportant story of the battle of Blair Mountain. Today, people have no idea what previous generations went through to get us where we are today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blair_Mountain

Now we have to start the fight almost from scratch.

Call me a cock-eyed optimit, but I think people are waking up. And I think it may not be too late.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:17 PM
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18. There was not much else to do for diversion during that time.
These rallies were something different to do in a very routine life. It was like the circus coming to town, everyone showed up to see what was going on and to get together with friends and just socialize. Today, there are so many things we can do to entertain ourselves. We do not have quite as much routine in our lives.

If you will remember, the whole town would also turn out for a hanging.
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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:18 PM
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19. Many don't care, and the rest gave up
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BanzaiBonnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:36 PM
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20. Television
and it is more easily controlled by those who own the media.

That's why it's Paris Hilton, Charlie Sheen, Lindsey Lohan... all celebrity news all the time. It's like adding sugar to your food: non-nutricious filler.
Pretty soon, that's all you crave.
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Taitertots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 05:43 PM
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21. Everything is too good
Americans are stuffed fat and bathed in the ignorance of corporate television. Too many people have it too good and they are unwilling to risk giving up anything. "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose".
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melm00se Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-26-11 06:09 PM
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22. its called contempt
when something 1st happens, people are in awe of it but given time they become contemptuous of it.

using an example: (physical) speed.

when devices allowed man to travel at speed, people were very careful of it (for example a train could only travel at 5mph preceded by a man with a red flag) so accidents rarely happened. fast forward to today: we routinely travel 10 times that speed...in urban areas...and accidents are far more common...we have contempt for speed..we have contempt for civic virtue.
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